Hand v Moorman in WSOPE

[ItsMrAlex2u]

[ ] instacall river bet
[ ] insta fold

• quite drunk so missed both boxes

that took ages and i still screwed it up

[gatso]

[ ] instacall river bet
[ ] insta fold

• quite drunk so missed both boxes

[X] that took ages and i still screwed it up

FYP

[ItsMrAlex2u]

tyvm

[NoflopsHomer]

The more I think about it, the more I think the river is a fold. If Moorman is on a bluff/draw he's more likely to fire the turn and commit his opponent with a decent bet like 14k/15k getting the latter to fold lots of small/medium pairs that he's losing to at that point as there's no guarantee OR will bet turn if Moorman checks. By checking turn with a set/AA/KK it gives him much more chance of extracting a bet from 99/TT/QQ on the river.

[AlexMartin]

Hero played this well, raising almost any street without the initiative pre against an aggro opponent is pretty bad i think here.

[action man]

I think the guy played his queens very well up until the turn. I don't get why you would check the turn though. The reason you flat pre and flat on the flop is to bet the turn when it's checked to you. Betting the turn gets you in control of the hand and shows the table how it goes when they try and play back at you. I think he must call the river because of that check but he should expect to see 3 jacks and lose. This will be a fitting punishment from the poker gods for checking the turn.

1) to let moomin bluff/v-bet worse than QQ LDO on the riv
2) moorman is quite capable of CRAI with hands that QQ beats but cannot possibly call

imo hero played it fine.

[Boba Fett]

What did they both have?

[MANTIS01]

I think the guy played his queens very well up until the turn. I don't get why you would check the turn though. The reason you flat pre and flat on the flop is to bet the turn when it's checked to you. Betting the turn gets you in control of the hand and shows the table how it goes when they try and play back at you. I think he must call the river because of that check but he should expect to see 3 jacks and lose. This will be a fitting punishment from the poker gods for checking the turn.

1) to let moomin bluff/v-bet worse than QQ LDO on the riv
2) moorman is quite capable of CRAI with hands that QQ beats but cannot possibly call

imo hero played it fine.

Yes buddy I understand the general concept. But the snag in this hand is that I can't see how Villain thinks Hero is going to bet. So why would he check? Hero is seen as tight scared money and you can see the way he plays his hand is seemingly very passive. There is no indication that if Moorman checks this guy is going to come firing after the pot. If he did think his opponent would bet then he would have been wrong because we know the guy did actually check behind. I think Villain expects the check, and this makes me think he doesn't have A-A or K-K. But it does make me think he wants to see the river for free because the J hit his hand in some way. If Villain expects and wants Hero to check, then I think Hero should bet.

Agreed that checking gets Villain bluffing on the river but the downside is Villain may no longer be bluffing. At any rate there are going to be a lot of river cards we hate and give us a tough decision. A lot of people are now saying fold when Villain fires on the river here, but this is what we wanted to happen isn't it? So checking the turn isn't a strat without it's problems either. I really don't think he vbets with worse than queens either. And I don't think he's giving up on the hand. So why check the turn? I agree 9-10 works.

[action man]

we are checking the river to let moorman fire at the pot again, with a bluff, as im with you on the fact that agaisnt this oppo i cant see him v-betting worse than QQ in this spot. We are checking to let moorman Bluff at the pot again. If we are beat on the river we are likely beat on the turn so have saved chips by checking behind. If moorman has caught trips on the river its just unlucky. Whose to say that if the river bricked and moorman checked that the guy wouldnt have v-bet himself which is more than likely. So the plan on the turn vs a Known LAG is to just check and induce a bluff from moorman, or if we are beaten then keep the pot smallish.

My money is on moomin having KK or AA i doubt moomin is 3betting light from the small blind this deepstacked knowing that oppo will probably call at least, and he will play the rest of the pot OOP.

thats just my slant on it.

[Dry em]

My money is on moomin having KK or AA i doubt moomin is 3betting light from the small blind this deepstacked knowing that oppo will probably call at least, and he will play the rest of the pot OOP.
thats just my slant on it.

I was on Chris' table for most of day 2 - he musta been dealt a whole lot of AA's and KK's if this theory is to hold...

[sovietsong]

What did Mr Moorman hold?

[Moorman1]

I had the jack and the 7 of different suits

Will write a longer reply later but got to keep this brief as dont wanna be late for the 2nd day of ept london.

On the turn I was check raising all in. I actually felt my opponent was 1 of the few ppl playing back at me light so I felt a float was a decent part of his flop range...

QQ is very close to a bet call on the turn but I will also check raise all in with a lot of made hands here 2 as I perhaps wrongly felt that He was betting the turn a high % of the time. Tbh on this river tt is prob the only worse hand that I value bet and I cant see myself bluffing here very often at all. However, I think the op played his hand pretty well here and was just unlucky.

[phatbhoy]

jesus this one thread has taught me shit loads about how some of you guys think!