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Chompy
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Is limping/raising/shoving the way here?
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Later stages of a tournrmant, final two tables, blinds are 800-1600, you have 13000.
You're UTG on a full table and look at AJ suited, what's the best move?
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October 06, 2008, 05:25:28 PM »
depends who is in the blinds , what the other stacks are on the table. On a full table I am more than likley to fold but I might raise if the makeup was right. I am never limping.
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October 06, 2008, 05:27:21 PM »
shoooooooooooooove
The other options are all really bad with 8-9bbs
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Quote from: jezza777 on October 06, 2008, 05:25:28 PM
depends who is in the blinds , what the other stacks are on the table. On a full table I am more than likley to fold but I might raise if the makeup was right. I am never limping.
Never EVER fold AJ suited with no action before you with 8-9BBs plz.
Unless a satellite ldo.
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Re: Is limping/raising/shoving the way here?
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Quote from: Chompy on October 06, 2008, 05:20:13 PM
Later stages of a tournrmant, final two tables, blinds are 800-1600, you have 13000.
You're UTG on a full table and look at AJ suited, what's the best move?
flat call and hope to hit the flop..... if u miss then fold.
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I like the cut of your jib here Celtic, I would also limp.
If you raise to say 4000 and someone goes over the top, what you gonna do? Fold? No, so it's either limp or all in for me. Has to be a limp then. FACT.
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Quote from: Chompy on October 06, 2008, 05:46:06 PM
I like the cut of your jib here Celtic, I would also limp.
If you raise to say 4000 and someone goes over the top, what you gonna do? Fold? No, so it's either limp or all in for me. Has to be a limp then. FACT.
i think u should fold. AJ is too marginal.
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October 06, 2008, 06:13:20 PM »
Shove, in fact with less than ten big blinds I would be shoving a lot of shitty/suited/high card hands here because Id sooner go out swinging then find myself having to fold my blinds/make a decision for my tournament life on the next two hands. We also will have next to no fold equity if we have to fold both blinds.
Yes AJ doesnt play that well utg in a nine handed game, and we are hoping to avoid quite a few hands that dominate us, but its too strong to muck and you can easily get called by a hand you beat/have good equity against.
Oh and its suited, nothing beats that.
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Quote from: Longy on October 06, 2008, 05:27:21 PM
shoooooooooooooove
The other options are all really bad with 8-9bbs
^^Agree...
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October 06, 2008, 07:25:31 PM »
Please, no more A-J hands.
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October 06, 2008, 07:31:29 PM »
cant answer the question until we know whether the button has AK or not imo
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October 06, 2008, 07:36:22 PM »
For me it's either all in or fold.
For me if you limp in from UTG likely to induce limpers behind you, and less likely to win the pot. Even if you do hit top pair on the flop this may not be enough with many limpers.
It is a fold normally for me here unless the following exceptional circumstances.
1. You have a very tight image and the table is very tight i.e. where you'd expect to be called no more than 1 in 3 times. But here your fold equity means you could push all in with any 2 cards.
2. Where the above applies except the BB who is very loose and will call with a big range. Here you still have a +cEV because more often than not you will be called with a worse hand.
Other than the above I would fold. You can afford another round of blinds and still have good fold equity and hope to have it folded to you at a later position next round - looking to survive until you hit a premium hand.
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October 06, 2008, 08:01:05 PM »
This is an inexploitable shove, calling ranges are irrelevant.
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October 06, 2008, 08:48:34 PM »
Quote from: DaveShoelace on October 06, 2008, 06:13:20 PM
We also will have next to no fold equity if we have to fold both blinds.
I disagree with this, we'll still have 10,600, about 7 BB's. We can still get lots of players to fold with that stack down to the last two tables. Sometimes the average will not be more than 12-15 BB's in online MTT's.
Yes we shove AJ, but shoving 13k here with garbage i disagree with...
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Shoving is good but folding isn't bad either.
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