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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2008, 02:44:27 PM »



No point.  I don't even know why someone would have an electron card instead of a switch maestro one. 


to save £4 pp e/w on ryanair flights. did you even read the start of the thread?

electron used to have the problem that a lot of place didn't accept it but you can now use them anywhere, the last big company to refuse to accept it were british rail or whatever they're now called but they gave in this year.

so you can use it everywhere and you save on booking fees from quite a few companies, not just ryanair, so I don't know why anyone wouldn't have one tbh
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2008, 02:53:50 PM »

its use seems to be getting phased out though - most banks which used to offer visa debit cards (delta as it was known) or electron, now all seem to offer the standard "visa debit" brand now.

i just phoned my bank and asked for one and they said they dont do them (Alliance and Leicester).

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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2008, 02:58:22 PM »



No point.  I don't even know why someone would have an electron card instead of a switch maestro one. 


to save £4 pp e/w on ryanair flights. did you even read the start of the thread?

Cheesy  I meant other than that!

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electron used to have the problem that a lot of place didn't accept it but you can now use them anywhere, the last big company to refuse to accept it were british rail or whatever they're now called but they gave in this year.

British Rail?  It's not the 1980s you know, have you been in a coma? Wink

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so you can use it everywhere and you save on booking fees from quite a few companies, not just ryanair, so I don't know why anyone wouldn't have one tbh

I'll have to be getting myself one.  Although I use credit cards usually, as I'm covered if things go tits up and I also get free insurance, etc.
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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2008, 03:14:04 PM »

its use seems to be getting phased out though - most banks which used to offer visa debit cards (delta as it was known) or electron, now all seem to offer the standard "visa debit" brand now.

i just phoned my bank and asked for one and they said they dont do them (Alliance and Leicester).



really? they were still issuing them 6 months ago.

it does look as though electron and solo will both disappear at some point in favour of plain visa debit.
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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2008, 04:19:48 PM »

It's still pretty clear Ryanair are angleshooting anyway.
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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2008, 07:33:36 PM »

Ryanair are the perfect ruthless business model applicants. But unlike Tikay I really dont think that is all good. I am a bit of a capitalist, but that doesnt work in the current avaition sector. There are major safety and environmental issues that aren't looked after.

I'm not that fussed about 'hiden charges'. It just means a click or two extra before the customer to get to the full price.

Ryanair push the boundaries on their pilots to the absolute limts, and often beyond (if pilot reports are to believe). Their new fleet allows them to operate a schedule that an older one wouldnt. They will have a major incident in the not too distant future if they take futher steps to retain their margin over the downturn in the next couple of years.

Dont get me started on the lack of tax on aviation fuel!

Having said all this I do love the ability to cross the atlantic for the price of a couple of return train trips to London!
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2008, 07:41:36 PM »

I heard it was Virgin airlines that drew out 1 billion from iceland banks that started the ball rolling

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« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2008, 07:52:38 PM »

I heard it was Virgin airlines that drew out 1 billion from iceland banks that started the ball rolling



Do Virgin have $1bn of reserves?! God knows where they would get any reserves from.

On the aviation front - BMI must be getting bought out soon (though they are private (I think) so of less interest!). They are sitting on an absolute gold mine of Heathrow slots.
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« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2008, 10:27:55 PM »

Ryanair are the perfect ruthless business model applicants. But unlike Tikay I really dont think that is all good. I am a bit of a capitalist, but that doesnt work in the current avaition sector. There are major safety and environmental issues that aren't looked after.

I'm not that fussed about 'hiden charges'. It just means a click or two extra before the customer to get to the full price.

Ryanair push the boundaries on their pilots to the absolute limts, and often beyond (if pilot reports are to believe). Their new fleet allows them to operate a schedule that an older one wouldnt. They will have a major incident in the not too distant future if they take futher steps to retain their margin over the downturn in the next couple of years.

Dont get me started on the lack of tax on aviation fuel!

Having said all this I do love the ability to cross the atlantic for the price of a couple of return train trips to London!

Good point.  O'Leary made an absolute fool of himself after the loss of cabin pressure incident a couple of months ago.  When some passengers complained that they didn't get oxygen, he almost immediately stated that all the masks were working, before there was time for any kind of through investigation of the claims.   

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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2008, 01:48:28 AM »

I heard it was Virgin airlines that drew out 1 billion from iceland banks that started the ball rolling



Virgin Airlines don't have a bililon of reserves! But try peering through the murk of their Accounts & you'll end up dizzy, & cross-eyed.
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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2008, 01:54:42 AM »

Ryanair are the perfect ruthless business model applicants. But unlike Tikay I really dont think that is all good. I am a bit of a capitalist, but that doesnt work in the current avaition sector. There are major safety and environmental issues that aren't looked after.

I'm not that fussed about 'hiden charges'. It just means a click or two extra before the customer to get to the full price.

Ryanair push the boundaries on their pilots to the absolute limts, and often beyond (if pilot reports are to believe). Their new fleet allows them to operate a schedule that an older one wouldnt. They will have a major incident in the not too distant future if they take futher steps to retain their margin over the downturn in the next couple of years.

Dont get me started on the lack of tax on aviation fuel!

Having said all this I do love the ability to cross the atlantic for the price of a couple of return train trips to London!

We would not agree on much of the above - fine - except this bit.......

Dont get me started on the lack of tax on aviation fuel!

Which is simply THE most ridiculous thing imaginable. It needs no argument or debate,  I'm astonised nobody kicks up a fuss about it, but they bellyache & whine on & on about tax & duty on motor spirit & say nothing of aviation fuel being un-taxed!! The reason if course, is that every country would need to be in line on it, otherwise the arirlines would just source their fuel in the trax-free regimes.

It's plain dumb that we can fly inter-city & even pan-Europe for almost free in this age of green awareness.

Tax should be imposed on Aviation Fuel, & the punters should pay for it.

This, of course, is nothing to do with the Ryanair debate.
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2008, 02:01:10 AM »

Wondered how long it would take for you to get here Tikay.  Only an hour.  Pretty impressive for a busy Lad.

Thank you. I won't hear a word said against Ryanair. O'Leary is a God.

do you not miss the "old days" though ? I watch a lot of older films and it seems to me that flying back in the 60's and early 70s was a far more glamourous thing to do.

I fly pretty regularly, and find it the most unpleasant experience. security, no smoking, luggage restrictions, etc  and they wonder why people get steamed up about it Huh?



Oh yes, it used to be a much more enjoyable & less stressful experince, without spotty & snotty Budget-Airline Staff with shrilly voices shouting at all & sundry.

To be fair, I never flew untiul the mid-80's, as I was way too scared of flying.

But Ryanair, Easy-Jet & their ilk have been a truly wonderful thing for those of us who wish to travel, though even if they gave away the seats, there would still be folks moaning.

My only moan is that I invested heavily in BA Shares in the 80's & 90's, & Ryanair & EasyJet have destroyed BA's share price. Quite rightly too, I sadly admit, but my BA Shares remain at home, gathering dust but not capital appreciation, & very little by way of dividends.
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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2008, 02:02:51 AM »


I actually heard a typical "let's all have a meaningless moan at Ryanair" story today from Chili, but I think I'll Post that on my Diary, I may get too warm a reception here!
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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2008, 02:05:02 AM »

It's still pretty clear Ryanair are angleshooting anyway.

Probably, but punters only have themselves to blame for paying it.

The charge IS on the Booking Form, & punters do not HAVE to fly Ryanair.
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« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2008, 02:43:05 AM »

re: your ba shares

didn't warren buffet say that no industry has pissed share holder capital against the wall quite like the airline industry?
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