Is it ok to steal from shops?

[bolt pp]

IS it ok to steal from shops?

No. End of story.

but what about if it's really easy and there's no security guard or cameras and the shops got some really nice stuff?

[kinboshi]

IS it ok to steal from shops?

No. End of story.

What about from record companies, film companies, TV stations, ISPs, etc.?

[Grier78]

Property is theft, end of. You can't steal what they don't own.

[Robert HM]

lol, it's not people stealing steak to feed their family, it's drug addicts that will have regular customers to whom they sell the meet on to.

irrespective of the current economic climate in this country there isn't a person who would have top steal food in fear of starvation for themself or their family.

In the same way I agree with your first comment I disagree with your second.

Yes addicts are stealing to fund their habit, I see the result each week. However the Benefits Agency is so bureaucratic that many cliams are waiting to be processed or stopped by mistake leaving people without the ability to feed themselves or families.

i struggle to believe that's true(to that extent anyway) where people could be allowed to go without the means to live.

I can believe that the ineptitude of government would create a backlog in payments and other bureaucratic delays but not to a point where people cant eat?

I can think of three examples of people who i know claim benefit........a woman in her 40s who gets sick money, and friend who signs on and a girl with 3 children, i know they dont all get the same kind of benefit but am also aware of never hearing of them having to go without food or having money for utilities; surely theres not a person in the country that if cannot provide for themselves are not entitled to a state benefit that is sufficient to provide them with at least the basic necessities?

Please believe. I can think of 3 recent examples I have come across where this has happened.

illegal immigrants aside, a British citizen not entitled to any benefit and the state happy for them to go without, under what circumstances could that happen?

i know you cant divulge specifics if it's from something you've encountered in your profession but if you can generalise i'd be interested to know?

sent a PM, feel free to react on here, no details.

[bolt pp]

lol, it's not people stealing steak to feed their family, it's drug addicts that will have regular customers to whom they sell the meet on to.

irrespective of the current economic climate in this country there isn't a person who would have top steal food in fear of starvation for themself or their family.

In the same way I agree with your first comment I disagree with your second.

Yes addicts are stealing to fund their habit, I see the result each week. However the Benefits Agency is so bureaucratic that many cliams are waiting to be processed or stopped by mistake leaving people without the ability to feed themselves or families.

i struggle to believe that's true(to that extent anyway) where people could be allowed to go without the means to live.

I can believe that the ineptitude of government would create a backlog in payments and other bureaucratic delays but not to a point where people cant eat?

I can think of three examples of people who i know claim benefit........a woman in her 40s who gets sick money, and friend who signs on and a girl with 3 children, i know they dont all get the same kind of benefit but am also aware of never hearing of them having to go without food or having money for utilities; surely theres not a person in the country that if cannot provide for themselves are not entitled to a state benefit that is sufficient to provide them with at least the basic necessities?

Please believe. I can think of 3 recent examples I have come across where this has happened.

illegal immigrants aside, a British citizen not entitled to any benefit and the state happy for them to go without, under what circumstances could that happen?

i know you cant divulge specifics if it's from something you've encountered in your profession but if you can generalise i'd be interested to know?

sent a PM, feel free to react on here, no details.

it does seem to me that if there are exceptional circumstances that arnt the fault of the individual and that person is entitled to benefits then they should be able to make some discretionary payment of money to them or have a voucher system whereby they can secure for themselves food and utilities until the system catches up and the proper payments are made to them.

It seems incredible to me it can ever be the contention of the state that a person should go without the means on which to live because of procedural inefficiency causing inordinate delays in benefit claims being processed!

As i said in my pm maybe a voucher system similar to that put in place for immigrants claiming benefit whilst waiting to hear whether or not they can stay(i know this was the case a few years ago, i dont know if they still do it now) because i understand the risk of making antecedent payments to people who it may transpire subsequently had no entitlement but this is a way the government could lower the liability on people who it turns out arnt eligible and can make sure those that are have the means on which to live whilst wating for a deccission on their claim

I happen to know that these vouchers that they give to immigrants cannot be redeemed for tobacco or alcohol because i knew a kosovan that worked on a site with a few of mates and drank in my local and used to get these vouchers whilst working cash in hand so he used to spend his wages on nice things and the vouchers on toiletries and food, one night we all went back to his gaff to play cards and ive never seen a house with so much food and toiletries, he mustve had about 8 shower gels, 10 deodorants, 20 bottles of juice etc!

[Robert HM]

lol, it's not people stealing steak to feed their family, it's drug addicts that will have regular customers to whom they sell the meet on to.

irrespective of the current economic climate in this country there isn't a person who would have top steal food in fear of starvation for themself or their family.

In the same way I agree with your first comment I disagree with your second.

Yes addicts are stealing to fund their habit, I see the result each week. However the Benefits Agency is so bureaucratic that many cliams are waiting to be processed or stopped by mistake leaving people without the ability to feed themselves or families.

i struggle to believe that's true(to that extent anyway) where people could be allowed to go without the means to live.

I can believe that the ineptitude of government would create a backlog in payments and other bureaucratic delays but not to a point where people cant eat?

I can think of three examples of people who i know claim benefit........a woman in her 40s who gets sick money, and friend who signs on and a girl with 3 children, i know they dont all get the same kind of benefit but am also aware of never hearing of them having to go without food or having money for utilities; surely theres not a person in the country that if cannot provide for themselves are not entitled to a state benefit that is sufficient to provide them with at least the basic necessities?

Please believe. I can think of 3 recent examples I have come across where this has happened.

illegal immigrants aside, a British citizen not entitled to any benefit and the state happy for them to go without, under what circumstances could that happen?

i know you cant divulge specifics if it's from something you've encountered in your profession but if you can generalise i'd be interested to know?

sent a PM, feel free to react on here, no details.

it does seem to me that if there are exceptional circumstances that arnt the fault of the individual and that person is entitled to benefits then they should be able to make some discretionary payment of money to them or have a voucher system whereby they can secure for themselves food and utilities until the system catches up and the proper payments are made to them.

It seems incredible to me it can ever be the contention of the state that a person should go without the means on which to live because of procedural inefficiency causing inordinate delays in benefit claims being processed!

Legislators are out of touch... and well fed.

[lazaroonie]

IS it ok to steal from shops?

No. End of story.

close down the internet !! the discussion is over.

[vegaslover]

The whole benefits system is poorly run, and seemingly by staff who are unable to read or write. Have a client currently awaiting benefits. Open and shut case too. Has been waiting 3 months.
When my son was born, and we filled the forms for child benefit and tax credits. They got his date of birth wrong, despite being sent a copy of the birth certificate. This resulted in them overpaying a month. When we pointed this out they claimed the month back, but still used 'their' date of birth, so reduced the payments a month early!!

[gatso]

I need a quick answer cos I'm going out for lunch in a minute. is it ok to eat a meal and then leg it without paying the bill?

[AndrewT]

I need a quick answer cos I'm going out for lunch in a minute. is it ok to eat a meal and then leg it without paying the bill?

You can't do a runner from McDonalds - they ask for money up front.

[bolt pp]

I need a quick answer cos I'm going out for lunch in a minute. is it ok to eat a meal and then leg it without paying the bill?

cafe.......no

pizza hut.............yes

Wimpy........go in with intention of paying, eat the meal, re-asses when the bill comes.

[gatso]

cheers. I'm going to the local cafe so based on solid advice will pay my bill

[tikay]

No!

It's never right to steal.*

* E & OE, & Big Blinds.

[cia260895]

No!

It's never right to steal.*

* E & OE, & Big Blinds.

so you bought the tank top/shirt ensemble??

[tikay]

No!

It's never right to steal.*

* E & OE, & Big Blinds.

so you bought the tank top/shirt ensemble??

Ouch - class response Sir!

And it's NOT a tank-top, thank you very much.

Pierre Cardin, pure Cashmere.