grrr, whats that someone said about river raises?

[AlexMartin]

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 431943405 *****
NL $2.50/$5 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, October 23, 22:49:15 GMT 2008
Table Nitrogen 107 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: JammyJenny ( $462.50 )
Seat 2: Givmild ( $500 )
Seat 3: RubberDuk ( $985.52 )
Seat 4: aconcaaKF ( $708.79 )
Seat 5: GoldenGate ( $544.76 )
Seat 6: HarryLime ( $1,027.61 )
GoldenGate posts small blind [$2.50]
Givmild posts big blind [$5]
HarryLime posts big blind [$5]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [ , Ah ]
JammyJenny raises to [$22.50]
Givmild calls [$17.50]
RubberDuk folds
aconcaaKF folds
GoldenGate folds
HarryLime folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
JammyJenny checks
Givmild checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
JammyJenny bets [$38]
Givmild calls [$38]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
JammyJenny bets [$65]
Givmild raises to [$240]


villain has just joined the table but is fairly regular. bad tag something like 20/10/2. has seen me do some wird stuff a few days ago and greeted me with "hi Jammy, u feeling crazy tonight?". river i throwup.

[Longy]

Against this opponent i muck, I understand there are a lot of missed draws there and his range is really polarised, which is why you want to call. Yet these aren't the type of players who often raise rivers as bluffs imo/

[AlexMartin]

is it flush or air v this guy though? SURELY he bets the turn wa flush?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Would a check call on the river be out of the question?

[Moskvich]

is it flush or air v this guy though? SURELY he bets the turn wa flush?

Looks like it to me, and yes I'd have thought he'd bet any of his legitimate raising hands before now (unless maybe something ridiculous like straight flush). Wonder whether your bet sizing might have induced a bluff-raise here too, as you just want to get most of your range to showdown, so possible that he decides to turn 2nd pair or something into a bluff here. Agree that the bluff seems less likely from this villain, though on the other hand the trend (in the games I've been playing at least, lower stakes than this) seems to be to raise these blocker-style bets more often on the river. FWIW, if you'd bet two-thirds/3qs pot and he'd raised I'd say it was a pass. As it is, I think I call. Maybe betting one-third pot and calling a raise might be good in this spot..?

[AlexMartin]

Would a check call on the river be out of the question?

i think we need to get some value out of the hand? i dont bet the flop coz i cant continue to a raise and a lot of the time we have the best hand, but need to get a bet in somewhere. v a vvvv.good player id say yeah good plan, as im gonna get raised a lot on the river.

is it flush or air v this guy though? SURELY he bets the turn wa flush?

Looks like it to me, and yes I'd have thought he'd bet any of his legitimate raising hands before now (unless maybe something ridiculous like straight flush). Wonder whether your bet sizing might have induced a bluff-raise here too, as you just want to get most of your range to showdown, so possible that he decides to turn 2nd pair or something into a bluff here. Agree that the bluff seems less likely from this villain, though on the other hand the trend (in the games I've been playing at least, lower stakes than this) seems to be to raise these blocker-style bets more often on the river. FWIW, if you'd bet two-thirds/3qs pot and he'd raised I'd say it was a pass. As it is, I think I call. Maybe betting one-third pot and calling a raise might be good in this spot..?

i can deffo concur about the raising of blocker bets atm, seems really true atm.

[GreekStein]

I check call the river on this board

[AlexMartin]

I check call the river on this board

v true aggro player yeah greeny, here though,

villain is fairly TAG w aggro factor of 2? this means he checks behind a tonne of hands we can extract from and wont vbet thin enough to make c/c optimal i think.

[pokerfan]

its a call in my book. if it turns out to be a bad one put it down as money well spent for future reffs