Call Shove?

[UpTheMariners]

ok no info on villian apart from this hand.... (thoughts please on the 2nd hand)

***** Hand History for Game 1070043325 *****
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 26, 01:49:12 ET 2008
Table 40 BB Sit Down 2  4 (c) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: mikaelrudh ( $323.00 USD )
Seat 2: Mariners ( $396.00 USD )
Seat 3: AWhippet ( $295.28 USD )
Seat 4: july1999 ( $447.00 USD )
Seat 5: Globas ( $654.40 USD )
Seat 6: kungkong ( $548.10 USD )
Mariners posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
AWhippet posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
Dealt to Mariners [    ]
july1999 folds
Globas folds
kungkong folds
mikaelrudh folds
Mariners raises [$12.00 USD]
AWhippet calls [$10.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Mariners bets [$22.00 USD]
AWhippet calls [$22.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
Mariners bets [$56.00 USD]
AWhippet calls [$56.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
Mariners bets [$304.00 USD]
AWhippet calls [$203.28 USD]
Mariners shows [,  ]
AWhippet shows [, ]
AWhippet wins $587.56 USD from main pot



then this 3mins later....  call?

***** Hand History for Game 1070043716 *****
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 26, 01:52:59 ET 2008
Table 40 BB Sit Down 2  4 (c) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: mikaelrudh ( $307.00 USD )
Seat 2: Mariners ( $400.00 USD )
Seat 3: AWhippet ( $585.56 USD )
Seat 4: july1999 ( $443.00 USD )
Seat 5: Globas ( $674.50 USD )
Seat 6: kungkong ( $548.10 USD )
july1999 posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
Globas posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
Dealt to Mariners [  ]
kungkong folds
mikaelrudh raises [$16.00 USD]
Mariners raises [$52.00 USD]
AWhippet raises [$88.00 USD]
july1999 folds
Globas folds
mikaelrudh folds
Mariners calls [$36.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Mariners checks
AWhippet bets [$497.56 USD]
Mariners....

[totalise]

given the history, call instantly

[Rookie (Rodney)]

When faced with these decisions we have to ask ourselves..

"What would Marty Smyth do?"

Only you know the true answer here, you need to connect to his mind.

[Hairydude]

How long had maniac been playing at the table?? could he be trying to create an image on 1st hand?? probably unlikely as its a full buy in but nevertheless could he maybe overplaying due to the fact of the call with 2nd bottom pair earlier hand- he knows now that with the 1st hand you have him labelled a V loose player and so will call a shove. Against a player like this isn't it better to tighten right up to reduce variance and wait until you have a strongish hand which no doubt he will call/fire barrel after barrel.

His range is huge here from an overpair, to flush draw, to set, to air but ther is so much uncertainty I think it might be better waiting on better spot- he may well be on tilt but its an expensive guess unless you have other info than just the 1 previous hand

[sovietsong]

This is a spot I often struggle with, in the past I've snaped when facing a what apears to be a donkey.  I probably lean towards the fold as you will hopefully find a better spot/get more info, 2 hands probably isnt enough to justify the cost of the call.

[AlexMartin]

given the history, call instantly

disagree, villain is a cs donk and didnt even play hand 1 terribly. he views u as spewtard aggro but given that he min 4b you pre in hand 2 he has a big pp/10 a lot more than AK/AQ. fold.

[MC]

disagree, villain is a cs donk and didnt even play hand 1 terribly. he views u as spewtard aggro but given that he min 4b you pre in hand 2 he has a big pp/10 a lot more than AK/AQ. fold.

^^Think I lean towards this, though gotta admit I hate folding here as could be in great spot.

[AgentChip109]

When faced with these decisions we have to ask ourselves..

"What would Marty Smyth do?"

Only you know the true answer here, you need to connect to his mind.

lolololol

btw i probs fold, but thats cos marty told me