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« on: November 11, 2008, 11:18:58 AM »

Final table of a deep stack online event...9 handed.   You are currently joint 2nd with about 74000.   The chip lead it to your left with about 98000. 

Lowest stack is about 20000 with most others around 30-50k.   

payout is 9th=about $200 and 1st $1500.

You've been sat next to the chip lead guy for a while, he's been very agro and called virtually every late pos raise you've made in the past hour and bet out/raised in pos on each flop.  You've layed AK and AQ down on rag flops and 99 on a King high flop to his aggressive pot bets in position.

Blinds 600-1200 with running ante.

You pick up  in late pos, it's folded to you and you elect to put a std raise of 4500 in.   Chip lead flat calls and everyone else passes.

Flop comes   

You check and he fires a pot bet in of about 12k.... your action?
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 11:24:25 AM »



Helmuth style jam
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 11:36:34 AM »

There really isnt any other move than to jam...
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 11:44:44 AM »

really?  with 60 odd BB?
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 11:49:44 AM »

There really isnt any other move than to jam...

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You must think you have the best hand, you don't really want to start getting cute and flat call and see a K or A fall (Ax and Kx are a big part of his range) so you must raise, and you're not deep enough to start thinking about folding to a 3-bet shove (if you raise to say 30k you've put half your stack in and you still have an overpair to the board against a player you've already identified as super-aggro)
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2008, 11:52:53 AM »

really?  with 60 odd BB?

I'm not looking at how many BB's we have when I make the decision.

We're not folding, we could flat and hope the turn blanks, but with 24k in the middle already and an opponent who looks eager to call off his chips we need to be raising here..

His bet is 12k, we have 69k, so about 5/6 times his bet, we could make it 32k-36k, but we may be left with an awkward turn decision.

Plus a shove looks like an overbet draw.

If he has 2 pair/set the hand plays itself anyway, just tough luck.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2008, 12:05:35 PM »

raise waaaaay less pre. @ 1200bb i open for 3150, 4500 is way too much for a std open, esp if you open a lot.

As played i would make it like 30K and snap a jam.  doing it this way may shell a bit of false fold equity out there and make villains getting it in range a tad lighter.  probs wont make much diff here tho.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 12:09:34 PM »

Also, i prefer to just lead the flop here fwiw.  How come you checked?
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 12:14:18 PM »

Cos he'd been betting every flop I'd checked to him hard
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2008, 12:17:35 PM »

Ok... I RR it to about 35k and he instajam  ... as discussed can't really pass can i....I did insta call and he showed      Sad .... managed to set up with  on the turn but couldn't avoid a 4th diamond on the end.

Guess it's pretty std ... but was sat there thinkin WTF at the end of the hand wondering how I'd managed to go from not far off chip lead to 9th in one hand... just felt a little spewy but from responses guess it was just ul
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2008, 12:38:31 PM »

Standard, actually think he played it quite well tbf
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2008, 12:32:48 AM »

standard i think i would play it the same way at the end of the day u wasnt folding he wasnt either. just ul
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2008, 12:40:56 AM »

fold pre
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2008, 12:44:57 AM »

fold pre
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2008, 01:55:55 PM »

Either that or limp pre and fold flop unless it comes Q72 rainbow
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