EPT Steps-Bubble..Is this a time to fold Aces?

[Tinsel Town]

I called and lost....
PokerStars Game #22264962061: Tournament #122202062, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/11/22 12:37:09 ET
Table '122202062 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: Blackoaktn (7585 in chips)
Seat 8: Pavel2112 (2880 in chips)
Seat 9: idolaf (3035 in chips)
Blackoaktn: posts the ante 25
Pavel2112: posts the ante 25
idolaf: posts the ante 25
Blackoaktn: posts small blind 200
Pavel2112: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pavel2112 [Ah ]
idolaf: raises 2610 to 3010 and is all-in
Blackoaktn: calls 2810
Pavel2112: calls 2455 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blackoaktn: shows [ ] (high card Ace)
idolaf: shows [ ] (two pair, Nines and Fives)
idolaf collected 310 from side pot
Pavel2112: shows [Ah ] (a pair of Aces)
idolaf collected 8640 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8950 Main pot 8640. Side pot 310. | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 2: Blackoaktn (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 8: Pavel2112 (big blind) showed [Ah ] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: idolaf (button) showed [ ] and won (8950) with two pair, Nines and Fives

[George2Loose]

No

[mondatoo]

Did you know there was a whinge thread ?

[Tinsel Town]

Did you know there was a whinge thread ?

Wasn't whingeing...You are rude!

 

[mondatoo]

Not meaning to be rude,so are you seriously asking then should you fold AA on the bubble when your short stack,i presumed this was just another bad beat thread on the pha board sorry if i'm wrong about that.

[Tinsel Town]

Sorry....I cannot be bothered explaining myself or arguing...I'm sorry for posting this thread..please forgive me!!

Admin please remove this thread. I havent posted on Blonde for a while and I'd forgot why I stopped.

bye!

 

[pokerfan]

Did you know there was a whinge thread ?

lol this post puts him on life tilt.

[mondatoo]

Wasn't trying to be rude or have an arguement just really unsure what you are looking for people to analyse after they read your post you have ace ace you are shortest stack at the table you got it in pf you fist pump your thru to next step then the poker gods decide to be brutal and you busto i seriously didn't think you were expecting someone to say you should've folded and i'm sure you no that so pointless taking a strop when i suggest this don't need analysing and therefore belongs in the whinge thread with the rest of the bad beats not on the hand analysis board

[MANTIS01]

Wasn't trying to be rude or have an arguement just really unsure what you are looking for people to analyse after they read your post you have ace ace you are shortest stack at the table you got it in pf you fist pump your thru to next step then the poker gods decide to be brutal and you busto i seriously didn't think you were expecting someone to say you should've folded and i'm sure you no that so pointless taking a strop when i suggest this don't need analysing and therefore belongs in the whinge thread with the rest of the bad beats not on the hand analysis board

Fair play. If Tinsel Town would like to put forward arguments for passing then we can discuss them. Discussing the pros & cons of that will be fun, like talking about the pros & cons of not breathing. Passing in this instance gets you no closer to your goal because after the hand you would still be 3-handed and very short-stacked.

Sorry dude, but if you put up a hand with absolutely nothing to talk about you will get humorous results. I read about this convict in America who was in solitary confinement for years. This guy eventually made a whole chess set out of his own poo. Yeah, pretty funny, and probably objectional to some, but there was absolutely nothing to talk about right?

Poo man didn't have to pay 50p but I'm afraid you do Tinsel.

[Longy]

Awaits "zomg i can't pass aces, fk the maths" posts.

I meseed about with ranges as well if you disagree with them it still comes out -ve.

[Moskvich]

My initial thought was also that this wasn't necessarily an automatic call, I think it's a good question, as the Longy supercomputer seems to suggest. The comment of 'are you seriously considering passing aces when the short stack' totally misses the point, which is that being the short stack is precisely what makes it a borderline call. If you had 100 chips more than the button then you just call, because as long as the button doesn't win the pot then you're fine. If you're the short stack, on the other hand, then you have to win the 3-way pot or you're out.

[Longy]

Just read the rest of thread, cringreworthy stuff. For the first time ever, I can see why OP wants to not post on blonde again.

It is a completely valid question, for reasons which Mosk outlined, the steps structure is a bit like sattellites as the jumps in payout structure lead to extremely tight play around the bubble as it is simply about finishing in the top 2 here.

[pokerfan]

Awaits "zomg i can't pass aces, fk the maths" posts.

I meseed about with ranges as well if you disagree with them it still comes out -ve.

is it a steps specific formula?i.e have you taken into account we are allready guarenteed to replay this step?

[Longy]

Awaits "zomg i can't pass aces, fk the maths" posts.

I meseed about with ranges as well if you disagree with them it still comes out -ve.

is it a steps specific formula?i.e have you taken into account we are allready guarenteed to replay this step?

Yes there is a custom structure in sngwiz that copies the exact payout for stars steps.

Whether we are guarenteed another shot is irrelevant as everyone has that locked up and we are simply playing for the top 2 now.

[celtic]

good call by the chipleader for more than 30% of his stack with 9 5. If he folds like he should have done then Tinsel is home and dry. Bad play rewarded nicely IMO. Dont know whether i could fold AA here to be honest. Probably have to run away and time out and hope it works out.