Live MTT. Respond to turn push.

[TightEnd]

£350 buy in Live MTT. Hero in for £35.

40 left, 5 Paid, 11k average

Hero 20,000. Not me. Image "tighter than you tighty"

Villain 21,000

blinds 100-200

Villian Loose, raises liberally, aggressive post. Shown a lot of "paint card" type hands at showdown having been original raiser, and hitting striaghts/flushes irrespective of pot odds

Villain raises to 600 in MP

Hero looks at  . Flats.

Flop     

Villain bets 1500, Hero calls

Turn 

Villain bets 1500, hero raises to 3000

Villain pushes.


Critique of Hero's play pre-flop and flop please, plus your action to the push.

ta.


Hopefully Hero will then identify themselves if you aren't too harsh......!

[action man]

hate the min raise line here. But once i have minraised the turn im not folding in a million years

critique of pre flop. Really weak, scared even
               flop.     Dunno if he is trapping or scared still. Im looking to get lots in on this flop. I donk lead hoping to get raised. Or check raise.

[mondatoo]

Surely the only reason we would min raise is with the hope that he would shove and we get it in otherwise i really don't see any reason to do this,i also ain't keen on the min raise but if that is the reasoning then it worked a treat.

You mention that he got into the tourney for £35 so is this outside of his roll and was he possibly uncomfortable getting into tricky spots.If so then i think should definitly be looking to raise it pre flop and not get complicated with flating pre.If the player is comfortable playing flops and mixing it up and therefore not concerned about the amount being played for then I defintly don't mind the flat call pre.However,we couldn't really hit this board much better than we have with top pair and nut flush draw so i think there's no way we're folding in this spot especially against the opp described.

So basically what trigg said in one line just get it in and if he has a set, 2pr we are still live

[MANTIS01]

It's difficult to comment on Hero's actions alone without knowing his thought process. I mean action man could be right that his pre-flop call stems from simple weakness. But I like the pre-flop call. If hero is a real rock then raising is going to expose his hand strength prematurely. Calling for the 600 gives Hero position on an aggressive opponent who doesn't slow down after the flop. This could be a very good situation. Assessing the texture of the flop before jamming too many chips in is a better strat for this guy I think. If he raises, Villain is sure to come with him, and can he handle post flop play vs aggressive oppo if he doesn't hit? Calling will max profits if he hits and min losses if he don't.

Flatting Villain's flop bet is perfect because it's part of the hand disguise plan. I would say the turn min raise is horrible cos it isn't part of the hand disguise plan. Unfortunately the problem we have is that Villain jams the pot for 1500 on the flop which tells us he has nada and then bets just 1/3 of the pot on the turn whch means he has 6-6. I think just calling the turn keeps everything kinda consistent and lovely. As played you have to call the all-in.

[AlexMartin]

£350 buy in Live MTT. Hero in for £35.

40 left, 5 Paid, 11k average

Hero 20,000. Not me. Image "tighter than you tighty"

Villain 21,000

blinds 100-200

Villian Loose, raises liberally, aggressive post. Shown a lot of "paint card" type hands at showdown having been original raiser, and hitting striaghts/flushes irrespective of pot odds

Villain raises to 600 in MP

Hero looks at  . Flats.

Flop     

Villain bets 1500, Hero calls

Turn 

Villain bets 1500, hero raises to 3000

Villain pushes.


Critique of Hero's play pre-flop and flop please, plus your action to the push.

ta.


Hopefully Hero will then identify themselves if you aren't too harsh......!

Ugh butchered. Dont CR the turn without a plan to get it in if he pushes.

I think preflop is fine given that you dominate so many of his holdings and are deep. I think the flop is fine too. On the turn, i totally hate that min checkraise. Does hero balance this as a bluff? Does he ever do it with less than a top pair top kicker type hand? I really doubt it. If villain is a thinking player you just dont get much more value from the hands you beat. I dont mind another check/call actually given stack sizes and how underrepped our hand is, obviously check-raising on the river if a club drops and almost always if a A or K peels. You have taken such a passive line and villain is right sort to fire three barrels.

As played, i like huge stacks, so i call (and bink v 99 obv). 

Obv standard play is to 3b pre or c/r flop. Nittier trappier play is to cr the turn, but if so have a plan for a push........................

[mondatoo]

Villain has 21,000 alex 

[AlexMartin]

Villain has 21,000 alex 

yar just saw

[mondatoo]

Villain has 21,000 alex 

yar just saw

So would you fold then,i think the only hand we are generally behind to is 66 as mantis said where as i think he could have AK(so we're freerolling to the flush),KQ,JQc...

[T_Mar]

I would definately 3bet pre .. I want to play the pot HU with loose villian, calling could let in others who want to see a cheap flop...  

Not sure about the flop tbh... Raising gets value from worse K's but probably folds out all other hands with no draws out there.. I think its probably best though as the times he does have a K you can get max value..

Dont like the min raise on the turn at all, villians shove puts you in nasty spot but hand been played so passively and under repped I would get it in I think

[T_Mar]

Dont we have position here?

[TightEnd]

Dont we have position here?

Hero does. On the button.

[TightEnd]

Dont we have position here?

Hero does. On the button.

which my original post should have said, apologies

[Gamblor21]

I think villain thinks were making a stand here. He has bet 1/3 of the pot and been min raised.

Without being at the table/knowing the player it is difficult to put an exact read on him, but i'd get it allin as i think he has something along the lines of straight and flush draw and we're ahead and killing his flush draw.

I think hero passed and was shown 87/J10/Q10 clubs etc.

[gatso]

Surely the only reason we would min raise is with the hope that he would shove and we get it in otherwise i really don't see any reason to do this,i also ain't keen on the min raise but if that is the reasoning then it worked a treat.

this

the gay cr is horrible but has surely achieved it's objective. if the objective wasn't to induce the shove then wth was it?

playing this deep I'm happy with flatting pf and flop play

[MANTIS01]

What you have to ask yourself is why does Villain bet 1500 into a 1500 pot on the flop and then bet 1500 into a 4500 pot on the turn? Why this sudden change in strategy? Is the turn bet a weak, feeble second barrel stab? If it is why would you raise that bet? Or is it because the 6 improved his hand to the degree that he's suddenly betting small? If it is why would you raise that bet? There is no way he flopped a monster imo. The 6 either gives him a set or completes 2 pair. Maybe he picked up a club draw and wants the river cheap. Why not give him that cheap river? This is how we are playing the hand.

Hero plays the hand perfect until the turn imo. The real mistake he makes is not considering the real sudden drop in bet aggression from Villain. So he plods on with the trap without the awareness that something has suddenly changed. Calling the turn bet because of this weird bet change would have continued the perfection imo.