stt help

[thetank]

if silo and tank don't mind could we post the tournament histories and tank's comments here? would be useful to a lot of people

I'd rather not tbh.

I don't want to try and pass myself off as some kind of STT guru. I'm still learning the game too, and doing most of that learning by watching videos at SnG Icons.
If I start reviewing complete hand historys for public consumption, I'd want to say a lot of the same things those guys are saying. I don't want to rip them off coz they're good guys.

[Graham C]

Sick board, I thought I was laughing when the flush draw came on the turn, but the river was a bit of a killer.  Was it worth a punt on the river, small bet perhaps?  Aside from the dogs bollocks , KJ and KT are both easily playable hands at my levels.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9543094388: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (72810758), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:16:28 ET - 2008/12/17
Seat 1: Nickaa111 (1,585)
Seat 2: JaJuLi (1,500)
Seat 3: geehaalee (1,365)
Seat 4: seldom11 (1,515)
Seat 5: Lucky579 (1,675)
Seat 6: orlaens (1,440)
Seat 7: kudonk (1,220)
Seat 8: Bokeh (1,560)
Seat 9: thomasTT1 (1,640)
thomasTT1 posts the small blind of 20
Nickaa111 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bokeh [ ]
JaJuLi folds
geehaalee has 15 seconds left to act
geehaalee folds
seldom11 folds
Lucky579 folds
orlaens calls 40
kudonk folds
Bokeh calls 40
thomasTT1 folds
Nickaa111 checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Nickaa111 checks
orlaens has 15 seconds left to act
orlaens bets 80
Bokeh calls 80
Nickaa111 calls 80
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Nickaa111 checks
orlaens checks
Bokeh bets 200
Nickaa111 calls 200
orlaens folds
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Nickaa111 checks
Bokeh checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Bokeh shows [ ] a full house, Nines full of Kings
Nickaa111 mucks
Bokeh wins the pot (780) with a full house, Nines full of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 780 | Rake 0
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: Nickaa111 (big blind) mucked [ ] - three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: JaJuLi didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: geehaalee didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: seldom11 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Lucky579 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: orlaens folded on the Turn
Seat 7: kudonk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Bokeh (button) showed [ ] and won (780) with a full house, Nines full of Kings
Seat 9: thomasTT1 (small blind) folded before the Flop

[Graham C]

Another question, lots of people are happy to get it in early comp with any pair, is that +EV?  Any pair, 22 even.  If it's raised preflop, they shove.

[thetank]

What do you think?

[EvilPie]

What do you think?

A little hint.

NO!!!!!!!!!

[Graham C]

Computer says no, but it does appear at a glance to be worth it.  That said, I don't do it and am not really tempted.

ICM gets interesting doesn't it.  It's quite suprising how certain hands change in value against different chip stacks.  I'm only taking the easy method with SNGEGT at the moment, but it's slowly sinking in and I'm getting a few decisions right on my own.  I'm a bit gutted it ran me into KK a couple of mins ago though

[thetank]

keep the faith

[EvilPie]

I'm a bit gutted it ran me into KK a couple of mins ago though

meh, it happens! It happens a lot. Just satisfy yourself in knowing that your shove with 83o is a much better long term decision than when someone calls you with A8 and beats you.

Just remember that as you play against the same players a lot they will adjust to your shoving range so make sure you track their calling range and adjust accordingly.

I find that one of the best notes to keep on players is whether or not they appear to be using ICM principles themselves. Does their game change significantly when they hit 10 BBs? If it does then you can be fairly certain that early on they're only raising from EP with premiums and that late on they will shove unopened pots with pretty much atc.

Might be worth looking at.

[Graham C]

Cheers,

I'm working on adjusting ranges and making notes on each player.  I've not got that much taken down at the moment, but I'm gradually picking up on people.  I'll take a look at what people do with 10 BB's in my next session, I have to admit, I haven't paid attention to it that much yet, just been working on my basic strategy at the moment.

Hoping to play a good few soon (for me).  My Tilt bonus runs out at the end of Jan so I'd like to get as many in before then as I can.  Hoping to hit a few Happy Hours to help, but even then I doubt I'll clear more than another $60 at the most as it takes about 100 games at $5 to clear $20, that's without hitting a sick run of course and moving up a level

[thetank]

[  ] You should read the Dean's articles.

[Longy]

Sick board, I thought I was laughing when the flush draw came on the turn, but the river was a bit of a killer.  Was it worth a punt on the river, small bet perhaps?  Aside from the dogs bollocks , KJ and KT are both easily playable hands at my levels.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9543094388: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (72810758), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:16:28 ET - 2008/12/17
Seat 1: Nickaa111 (1,585)
Seat 2: JaJuLi (1,500)
Seat 3: geehaalee (1,365)
Seat 4: seldom11 (1,515)
Seat 5: Lucky579 (1,675)
Seat 6: orlaens (1,440)
Seat 7: kudonk (1,220)
Seat 8: Bokeh (1,560)
Seat 9: thomasTT1 (1,640)
thomasTT1 posts the small blind of 20
Nickaa111 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bokeh [ ]
JaJuLi folds
geehaalee has 15 seconds left to act
geehaalee folds
seldom11 folds
Lucky579 folds
orlaens calls 40
kudonk folds
Bokeh calls 40
thomasTT1 folds
Nickaa111 checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Nickaa111 checks
orlaens has 15 seconds left to act
orlaens bets 80
Bokeh calls 80
Nickaa111 calls 80
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Nickaa111 checks
orlaens checks
Bokeh bets 200
Nickaa111 calls 200
orlaens folds
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Nickaa111 checks
Bokeh checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Bokeh shows [ ] a full house, Nines full of Kings
Nickaa111 mucks
Bokeh wins the pot (780) with a full house, Nines full of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 780 | Rake 0
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: Nickaa111 (big blind) mucked [ ] - three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: JaJuLi didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: geehaalee didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: seldom11 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Lucky579 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: orlaens folded on the Turn
Seat 7: kudonk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Bokeh (button) showed [ ] and won (780) with a full house, Nines full of Kings
Seat 9: thomasTT1 (small blind) folded before the Flop

I would raise the flop to set up getting in stacks by the river and also there are a lot of hands that will come along for the ride on this flop.

Yes bet the river every time, admittedly getting raised on the river would be pretty sick but you are missing too much value by checking the river imo.

[Graham C]

What a bag of bollocks today was.  The first real effort I've put in, a record breaking 22 stt's in a day for a huge downswing in my roll.  Just 4 cashes with 3 3rds and a 2nd today and managed to bubble 7 of them.  Just couldn't win any races, lost all when I was ahead and generally took a beating.   

I don't know how you lot do it without getting demoralised with it all.  I'm done for today, will start fresh tomorrow.

[EvilPie]

What a bag of bollocks today was.  The first real effort I've put in, a record breaking 22 stt's in a day for a huge downswing in my roll.  Just 4 cashes with 3 3rds and a 2nd today and managed to bubble 7 of them.  Just couldn't win any races, lost all when I was ahead and generally took a beating.   

I don't know how you lot do it without getting demoralised with it all.  I'm done for today, will start fresh tomorrow.

As long as you know that you've made the correct decisions then it isn't a problem.

Just keep telling yourself it's varience. It should help you get through some bad runs.

7 bubbles is a bit nasty though. Why don't you post the hand histories for your exit hands. Let people analyse them and let you know whether you muffed the hands or just got unlucky. It'll make the bad run easier to take if you know that you were just coolered.

[thetank]

I'll look at that latest tourney you sent me tomorrow (this afternoon) when I get out of bed.

[Graham C]

Cheers Tank

Will get the exit hands on here later on, cheers EP