stt help

[thetank]

2241 chips is prolly the answer.

2239 chips is a fold.

The crucial thing being that we have small blind out-chipped.
The times when UTG wins the whole pot and both of us are eliminated, you'll get 3rd instead of 4th if you started the hand with more chips.

[thetank]

If in the hand you posted we had 630 chips (which I think was what you're getting at) then yeah, we'd have to make a really nitty fold.

(Call with QQ, KK, AA tho)

[EvilPie]

if I could pick your brains once again tank, I've altered the hh from the example above to a situation where I'm passing 100% of the time.

at approx what stack size would you switch from calling as in hand 1 to passing as in hand 2?

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 9: MrPhoenix555 ( 2,240 )
Seat 6: jan121179 ( 10,180 )
Seat 10: hero ( 30 )
Seat 5: ziggy888 ( 7,550 )
Trny: 43605994 Level: 6
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [     ]
ziggy888 is all-In  [7,550]
jan121179 folds
MrPhoenix555 is all-In  [1,940]

If you have more chips than MrPhoenix I'd say it's a call because you only have to beat 1 player to put yourself in a strong position.

If you have less then it's a pass because you have to beat them both.

If you're on 30 you'd even pass AA because you're desperately trying to scrape the money and a triple up wouldn't make much difference.

I think.

EDIT: Never passing AA here if we're already in for 600 btw. 30 as opposed to potential 1890 is a definite call.

[EvilPie]

Tank

Would you say that AA is a possible fold with 2239 chips?

I'm guessing it's a call because we get a good chance of winning the lot with a triple up and we're obviously winning the hand a high % of the time.

[thetank]

if I could pick your brains once again tank, I've altered the hh from the example above to a situation where I'm passing 100% of the time.

at approx what stack size would you switch from calling as in hand 1 to passing as in hand 2?

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 9: MrPhoenix555 ( 2,240 )
Seat 6: jan121179 ( 10,180 )
Seat 10: hero ( 30 )
Seat 5: ziggy888 ( 7,550 )
Trny: 43605994 Level: 6
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [     ]
ziggy888 is all-In  [7,550]
jan121179 folds
MrPhoenix555 is all-In  [1,940]

If you have more chips than MrPhoenix I'd say it's a call because you only have to beat 1 player to put yourself in a strong position.

If you have less then it's a pass because you have to beat them both.

If you're on 30 you'd even pass AA because you're desperately trying to scrape the money and a triple up wouldn't make much difference.

I think.

Ah, is that what you're gettin' at.


Hard to find that scenario in an STT.
Two players need to be all-in before you 4-handed, when that happens, you will almost always be one of the blinds.

 

[thetank]

Tank

Would you say that AA is a possible fold with 2239 chips?

I'm guessing it's a call because we get a good chance of winning the lot with a triple up and we're obviously winning the hand a high % of the time.

Not in a regular sit n go.

There are spots to fold AA in regular STTs, but they're very very rare.



Double or nothings are something else, those crazees have to fold AA a couple of times a day.


EDIT : I mean pre-flop folding of AA... ldo, but felt the need to clarify.

[gatso]

If in the hand you posted we had 630 chips (which I think was what you're getting at) then yeah, we'd have to make a really nitty fold.

(Call with QQ, KK, AA tho)

yeah, soz, forgot about the blinds but this is what I was getting at.

cheers for the answer

[EvilPie]

if I could pick your brains once again tank, I've altered the hh from the example above to a situation where I'm passing 100% of the time.

at approx what stack size would you switch from calling as in hand 1 to passing as in hand 2?

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 9: MrPhoenix555 ( 2,240 )
Seat 6: jan121179 ( 10,180 )
Seat 10: hero ( 30 )
Seat 5: ziggy888 ( 7,550 )
Trny: 43605994 Level: 6
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [     ]
ziggy888 is all-In  [7,550]
jan121179 folds
MrPhoenix555 is all-In  [1,940]

If you have more chips than MrPhoenix I'd say it's a call because you only have to beat 1 player to put yourself in a strong position.

If you have less then it's a pass because you have to beat them both.

If you're on 30 you'd even pass AA because you're desperately trying to scrape the money and a triple up wouldn't make much difference.

I think.

Ah, is that what you're gettin' at.


Hard to find that scenario in an STT.
Two players need to be all-in before you 4-handed, when that happens, you will almost always be one of the blinds.

 

i think I get it now.

Ziggy has moved in from the cut off, button folds, MrPhoenix has called from the SB.

Given our chip count MrPhoenix must have a very strong hand unless he's not very good at stts.

I'd have to put him on QQ, KK or AA. If not he's just stepping aside to let us get ko'd.

No need to race with AK. Need a very strong hand to call here.

[gatso]

Given our chip count MrPhoenix must have a very strong hand unless he's not very good at stts.

I'd have to put him on QQ, KK or AA. If not he's just stepping aside to let us get ko'd.

it's not relevant to the conversation obv as the result doesn't matter but the quoted bit made me lol. I think we'll have to put it down to him not being good at stts as he made the call with 33. and the best bit was how far ahead he was as the first ai was with 22

[thetank]

Soul pwner!

[EvilPie]

Given our chip count MrPhoenix must have a very strong hand unless he's not very good at stts.

I'd have to put him on QQ, KK or AA. If not he's just stepping aside to let us get ko'd.

it's not relevant to the conversation obv as the result doesn't matter but the quoted bit made me lol. I think we'll have to put it down to him not being good at stts as he made the call with 33. and the best bit was how far ahead he was as the first ai was with 22

 

Once again my poker reading skillz are on fire!!

[gatso]

Soul pwner!

it was looking that way and when he hit his 3 on the flop as well until the 22 turned a wheel and mrsuperuserphoenix went out 4th

[EvilPie]

Soul pwner!

it was looking that way and when he hit his 3 on the flop as well until the 22 turned a wheel and mrsuperuserphoenix went out 4th

Obv results orientated post imo.

[thetank]

The glorious thing about that is that 33 will believe he made an outstanding call and just got exceedingly unlucky. His thinking this will not be based on any kind of degenerate self denial or selective memory, but on completely rational empirical observations.

Still, despite this, he could not be more wrong and his call could not be more horrid.

Beautiful game.

[EvilPie]

The glorious thing about that is that 33 will believe he made an outstanding call and just got exceedingly unlucky. His thinking this will not be based on any kind of degenerate self denial or selective memory, but on completely rational empirical observations.

Still, despite this, he could not be more wrong and his call could not be more horrid.

Beautiful game.

Beautiful but so bloody annoying at times.

Gatso, what buy in level was this? I hope it was very low.

If not I'm quitting online stts right now because I just don't get it.