So, Flushy, talk us through that hand.

[tikay]

Firstly, this is NOT a piss-take - I, & many others, are genuinely interested, & intrigued. Flushy has an incredible ability to gather, & distribute, chips, in a way that very few can. If I get chips, (a rare event indeed) I can hang on to them. But I can't get them like he can.

The Scene is the 15,000 chip, 1 hour clock Brighton Main Event, last Saturday.

Flushy is the sort of Father of the Rendezvous Cardroom there, & he was in full-flow, & at full volume, entertaining all & sundry, & generally being himself - read that however if like.

He decided to target a particular player on his Table, just because it visibly irked the geezer, so he sort of "straddled" (pre-deal!) on this geezer's BB every round. Flushy murdered the poor guy, including a 6-3 which housed up.

Now forget Mr Irked, he's a quivering wreck now, & we are in Level 2 or 3, I'd guess, & Flushy is lording it up with a big stack already. Truly, it's something to behold, when Flushy is at full-throttle.

Suddenly, the room goes quiet - have we all gone deaf, or has Flushy stopped talking?

Flushy has stopped talking, & our man, normally the most rapid of thinkers, is straight-faced, silent, & into considerable - 2 or 3 minutes, an eternity for him - dwellage.

There were only 40 runners, but I reckon 25 of them gathered round the Table to watch the Master put to a huge decision.

You could cut the atmo with a knife, it was awesome.

I'd love Flushy to talk us through this hand, & hear opinions on how it played out. I repeat, it's not a piss-take, I, & I think many others, will be genuinely fascinated.

After the hand, it was being said that this was "Level 4 Thinking, against a Level One player". I'm certainly one of the latter, because I cannot make Flushy's play in a million years.

So come on Flushy, talk us through it, please.

[Royal Flush]

OK well this history to this hand is the key part.

The tournament started and for the first 15 minutes or so i was standing next to the table chatting to Mr Parker about his recent success in the Vic and other such stuff, when i did arrive at the table i sat down and raised the first few hands blind to get some action going (15k chips and a 1hr clock for 40 runners is going to be a long old slog and i cant be bothered doing it without a stack) anyhow this went on for a while until a few of the players on the table had either won or lost a few k in chips.

I now felt that i had most of the table playing outside of their comfort zone (i.e. being nitty) people had started to make stupid bluffs and were scared of value betting marginal to strong hands.

During this time 1 player was getting the lot, his name is Paul, he is known to me and some others in Brighton he is not afraid to play hands and so was the main benefactor of my aggression, i kept remarking about how he was winning every pot off me hoping to set it up for use later down the line, in the proceeding 1/2hr we played 2 medium sized pots the first was a raised pot he had K3 and i had 24....the flop came 238 and we saw some action him winning at showdown, another was when he flat my raise pre and led a JJ5 flop i flat called with 89 to which he remarked i am scared when you just call, the turn was a 6 he led i raised he called and i gave up the river, his 22 wins at showdown.

In between this i get a stack together beating the same guy up 3 times, the first i raise KQ guy flats button flop 356 he calls my CB turn is a 7, i check he bets 1200 i made it 3100 he flats at this point i was giving up, the river came a 4 though to put a str8 on the board i shoved for only about 6k and he folded AA faceup, Paul taunted me to show the bluff so i tabled the KQ. Less than an orbit later there were 3 limpers i made a small raise with T8d and the player from the previous pot comes in from the blind as does 1 of the limpers, the flop comes A92r they both check call my CB, the turn is a J we all check and the river comes a nice Q giving me the 2nd nuts, AA man from before leads for 1200 gets called and i bump to 5200, they both fold but it would appear to anyone watching the hand that i was bluffing.

Not to mention the comical 63 hand where a bad/tight player limped i raised he called the flop came 832 he check called turn was a 3 he check called river was a 2 he check called and then lost his rag at me for raising with 63.

In short my image was super loose, i was playing against a player who was confident to play pots vs me (he hadn't lost 1 yet) and i had a history of river raising/turn raising with air.

So onto the hand its 100-200 Paul opens to 500 i flat  on the button everyone else folds i was playing aprox 25k he covered.

The flop came  to give me a nut gutshot draw, he led for 600 i decided just to flat on the button, i could raise but 100bb+ deep i think its ok to just flat as well.

The turn was the  at which point i got checked too, now this was either as a give up or for pot control so i fired 1500 and he called fairly quickly, at this point i was done with the hand assuming i was vs either Ax with or without a heart, possibly Kx and possibly Qx nut flush draw.

The river was the , at this point Paul led out for 2500 which didn't make much sense to me, at least i dont think he has a monster hand i began leaning towards Ax handsand busted draws, i quite quickly raised to 7500 and he tanked for a good 3/4 minutes at this point i started giving some coherent and confident speech similar to the patter i had earlier given with the 63s now i was pretty sure the pot was over, he had made no indication he was playing he hadnt cut any chips out of his stack or anything i noticed with him that he would do this if he was going to play a hand.

Anyhow after his lengthy dwell he re-popped me to 15000, at this point i was genuinely surprised, his range is so polarised here to the pure nuts and air, i don't see him value 3 betting less than the nut flush here given he knows i would rarely call with a small flush. The problem for me was its hard for me to give him credit for the nuts the way this hand has played out and also if he is going to be value raising here why does he not just set me in instead of min raising? If i were to call the extra 7.5 i would only have 6.2k back anyway so i would probably call a shove.

After a while i balanced it all out and looked at the pot, there was now 28k in the middle of this pot and i have 13.7k back so if he has the nuts less than 2/3 of the time here then its a +EV push and i think he is bluffing quite often here now this is obviously a crazy high variance play and given the field is so weak and the structure is so long its usually a play i would try and avoid but it was going to be such a stupidly long tournament where first prize was only about 12x the buyin! So i decided to take the high variance move and shove for 6k more, which of course in isolation looks bizarre given its 6.2k into a 35.5k pot against a river 3 bet.

Anyway that's the reason i did it Tikay.

[Ironside]

what was the result?

[Dewi_cool]

Nice pic of Lucy imo

[tikay]

what was the result?

Flushy's 5 high never held on. The other geezer had the Nut flush.

[thetank]

I was in a play money STT yesterday for 250 play chips. First hand, 3 people go all-in with air pre-flop (which is pretty standard)
My K9o holds up and I win 4580 chips or whatever (actually a beat, seeing as I was wanting to bust)

One guy says, nh.

Eh? GTFO I say, nh should be reserved for stuff like this.

nh

[tikay]

Thanks JD.

I don't understand this bit.....

at this point i was genuinely surprised, his range is so polarised here to the pure nuts and air, i don't see him value 3 betting less than the nut flush here given he knows i would rarely call with a small flush.

1) Why/how do you make the assumption (correctly) that his hand can only be one or the other, Nuts, or Air?

2) You rarely call with a small flush? Behave!

But thanks for the explanation.

I think I'll stick to Level One, tyvm, I lack the tools for Level 4.

[bolt pp]

Nice pic of Lucy imo

[TheChipPrince]

How well/badly do you think he played it Flushy?

[Royal Flush]

Thanks JD.

I don't understand this bit.....

at this point i was genuinely surprised, his range is so polarised here to the pure nuts and air, i don't see him value 3 betting less than the nut flush here given he knows i would rarely call with a small flush.

1) Why/how do you make the assumption (correctly) that his hand can only be one or the other, Nuts, or Air?

2) You rarely call with a small flush? Behave!

But thanks for the explanation.

I think I'll stick to Level One, tyvm, I lack the tools for Level 4.

If you look at the way the hand has played out it looks like i have a flush when i raise the river, so if he has 1 pair/2 pair/set etc he is never going to re-raise again he will just flat call, so what hands does he re-raise well the nuts is one, and probs the J flush but if he really going to want to re-raise again with a 7/8 flush? It is so strong to 3 bet the river its hard for someone to call with worse. When he block bets the river i am rarely going to raise with a hand for value that can't stand a 3 bet, i.e. the Q/J flush given he will probably fold to the raise because he is block betting and he rarely has a small flush here given the action.

As such i think he has nut/2nd nut flush or air.

[action man]

would be a decent play if the player was capable of making this play with complete air. There are not many about that are. Just fold river.

[snoopy1239]

I think a dwell on the river is very suspicious. You pretty much have to have the nuts on the end to make this move in most people's eyes (which would normally waste little time), and if you think he has a missed flush draw with, say the , then that is a card you need to be representing. Personally, I don't think players, even loose ones, have the air enough times here to warrant the push.

[lazaroonie]

i truly doubt I will ever have the tools to play like this. to me it reads

I had shite preflop so fired some money into the pot
i had shite after the flop and fired some more money into the pot
after the turn, I had shite so kept on firing money into the pot
at the river, guess what, more shite so i threw everything I had into the pot.

guess what ? he didnt have shite.....

[MKKfish]

I'm going to make a post justifying your play James.. I'm just off to think about what my post will say.......







                                 .....I may be gone a considerable amount of time.

[Ironside]

I'm going to make a post justifying your play James.. I'm just off to think about what my post will say.......







                                 .....I may be gone a considerable amount of time.

what you talking about paul you would of raise all in on the river thinking you was ahead