Nottingham Gala- Lack of Vision

[redsimon]

Yogi, you are the voice of reason.

I could not agree with you more, which is why I have only played in Nottingham Gala twice in 6 months.

I prefer to play online than in a cardroom that does not provide dealers for your protection.

My own feeling is that most of the players who fill the cardroom at Notts. are in denial, thinking that it's all fine.

I'm all for the boycott !

Would we notice the difference Ralph? 

Seriously though wouldn't a boycott play into the hands of the "put slots in" crew? No poker players and they can say the poker booms over and get on with putting electronic roulette in?

[Yogi-Bear]

Boycott??
Hard to organise. What about you all go in one night, But don't play. No-one. Don't go to the bar. Don't touch house games.

i think I'm just a rabble rouser. Let's be honest tho. If they cared then they would have done something. A petition wouldn't help. Perhaps stronger action is what is needed. Not that I would advocate it. There has to be a way forward.

I gotta get a new name.

Yogi

[Ironside]

Boycott??
Hard to organise. What about you all go in one night, But don't play. No-one. Don't go to the bar. Don't touch house games.

i think I'm just a rabble rouser. Let's be honest tho. If they cared then they would have done something. A petition wouldn't help. Perhaps stronger action is what is needed. Not that I would advocate it. There has to be a way forward.

I gotta get a new name.

Yogi

i am going to stick to the boycott much cheaper

[Junior Senior]

only 42 players for the 30 game last night - looks like your boycott is working. - Rob looked genuinely concerned!

On a positive note - the 'big blind to move' rule was trialed last night and it worked well - apart from the first couple of times when the person moving still went and sat behind the button and looked for the 'best seat'. - i was short stacked and got annoyed so obviously and very quickly pointed out the whole reason for the bb must move scnario is for fairness and that they must sit in the next available bb. - the adjustment was made and it was met with appreciation from all


WELL DONE GALA NOTTS and well done to ROB!!

[tikay]

Yup, I second that, well done Rob.

Julian & I were both due to come down last night, but something really heavy came up at the last minute, & it was not possible.

I am still trying to address Malc-M's "Lack of Vision" thread, give me time, got a lot on right now, but hope to do it today some time. There aint much wrong at Notts that a bit of fine tuning wont put right.

[Karabiner]

Well that's a big step in the right direction.

I can always remember being surprised by the blistering early pace that big Smithy could produce
when he had his eye on a favourable seat behind the button.

But that was mere slow-motion compared to when the free buffet used to arrive in the cardroom a few years back !

 

[Malc-M]

I absolutely agree with you Tony.
There is not much wrong with Notts that some fine tuning would not sort out.
I am just keen that its as good as it can possibly be.

There is an excellent core of players and the standard is good.

I certainly am not in favour of any kind of boycott and will be at the 250 on Sunday.

Excellent news re the bb move. That's a big improvement.
Well done Rob.

Malc-M

[tikay]

Agree with every word Malc.

[Ironside]

There is an excellent core of players and the standard is good.

so when are these excellent players going to leave notts and play the rest of the uk and european events

[AdamM]

as soon as I get the t-shirt company up and running and get a bankroll together.

[Ironside]

well while you are waiting for a miracle you need to sort out your pic

if you need a hand i can sort out a url for your pic while you wait for your band to sort out the website

[Karabiner]

Yup, I second that, well done Rob.

Julian & I were both due to come down last night, but something really heavy came up at the last minute, & it was not possible.

I am still trying to address Malc-M's "Lack of Vision" thread, give me time, got a lot on right now, but hope to do it today some time. There aint much wrong at Notts that a bit of fine tuning wont put right.

When you say that "there ain't much wrong at Notts.", are you not overlooking the small discrepancy in the dealer department ?

You guys support the cardroom/bar/restaurant/tables etc. 4 times a week.
Anywhere from 60/120 customers each night not including friends and family.

The casino gives you dealers once a month !!

Don't you think you deserve to be treated better than that ?

Wake up guys !

Let's apply Sklansky's theory:

Sklansky says that you have played a hand perfectly, if you would have done the same if you could see your opponents cards.

So the perfect cardroom would be one where there was no expense spared.

Do you see anything different to the "no expense spared" cardroom in Nottm Gala?

I rest my case.

[snoopy1239]

Lol

[tikay]

Sorry Ralph, but we aint ever going to agree on Notts. You are in the glass is half empty department, I am in the glass is half full department. You consistently knock Notts, I consistently sing their praises, & we are both entitled to hold our respective views.

But if we both step aside, they have improved atendances by about 200% in 18 months, & have sold every single seat on more occasions than not in 2005.

So, on average, 100 guys, 4 nights a week, don't seem to mind lack of "proper" dealers. Given which, in a commercial world, one can easily see why Gala dont see the need to provide House Dealers.

As to your hypothetical situation of a perfect cardroom being "a no expense spared Casino", such an animal does not, & never wll exist. There simply aint enough money in a regular cardroom to make it "perfect", & if we deemed it to be "perfect" the chances are the casinos will say "OK, please yourself, we will put slots in". Casinos do NOT make much money, if any, directly from running poker tourneys.

We need to recognize this.

I, and, on averge, 100+ players per night, 4 nights per week, happily accept Gala Notts "as is", so I dont see what the problem is. I do believe it could do with a bit of fine tuning, but so can Arsenal & Man Utd & Brentford, but they get full attendances, &, on the whole, everybody comes back each week. (Allow me a tad of artistic licence on Brentford, eh?).

From time to time I criticise them in a constructive manner, but that's a long way from saying they are not treating us OK.

They have a product which they ARE working hard to improve. I, & many others, thoroughly enjoy a night at Notts. Good company, a few laughs, chance of winning a few bob, plenty of characters. Poker Heaven for me, Poker Hell for you. You can please some of the people, some of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time.........

I am happy, on the whole, with the way they treat me. 100+ players, 4 times a week, ditto. You rest your case? Me too!

Next case!

[redsimon]

There seems to be an undercurrent from Karabiner that the dealer situation in Notts taints the fairness of the games.

While I would prefer house dealers (which would surely mean a reg fee, currently not levied in the 20/30 comps) I think that the situation since January where there is independent cutting before the deal and a regular pool of local guys who deal for "a meal and 20 off the prize pool" is good enough for me (and many others).