Nottingham Gala- Lack of Vision

[Ironside]

the $1 stud on stars

i should  add  on another hand guy was showing QQ i had 2 pair and open ended straight draw i call another guy calls with a pair of ducks and hits 2nd pair on river beating my 2 pair (missed the draw) guy with queens wasnt impressed

[Ironside]

here is hand history of the ace high call tell me if i missed something

PokerStars Game #1760127037: Tournament #8153022, 7 Card Stud Limit - Level I (15/30) - 2005/05/24 - 18:05:02 (ET)
Table '8153022 27'
Seat 1: idisc (1357 in chips)
Seat 2: Austin Rules (1307 in chips)
Seat 3: skitta (1758 in chips)
Seat 4: DrKneenie (1963 in chips)
Seat 5: pacejack (1187 in chips)
Seat 6: rackmstackm (1437 in chips)
Seat 7: Ironside (1491 in chips)
idisc: posts the ante 2
Austin Rules: posts the ante 2
skitta: posts the ante 2
DrKneenie: posts the ante 2
pacejack: posts the ante 2
rackmstackm: posts the ante 2
Ironside: posts the ante 2
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to idisc []
Dealt to Austin Rules []
Dealt to skitta []
Dealt to DrKneenie []
Dealt to pacejack []
Dealt to rackmstackm []
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
Austin Rules: brings-in low 5
skitta: folds
DrKneenie: folds
pacejack: raises 10 to 15
rackmstackm: folds
Ironside: raises 15 to 30
idisc: folds
Austin Rules: calls 25
pacejack: calls 15
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Austin Rules [] []
Dealt to pacejack [] []
Dealt to Ironside [ ] []
Ironside: bets 15
Austin Rules: calls 15
pacejack: raises 15 to 30
Ironside: raises 15 to 45
Austin Rules: calls 30
pacejack: calls 15
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Austin Rules [ ] []
Dealt to pacejack [ ] []
Dealt to Ironside [ ] []
Ironside: bets 30
Austin Rules: folds
pacejack: calls 30
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to pacejack [ ] []
Dealt to Ironside [ ] []
Ironside: bets 30
pacejack: calls 30
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ] []
Ironside: bets 30
pacejack: calls 30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ironside: shows [ ] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
pacejack: mucks hand
Ironside collected 419 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 419 | Rake 0
Seat 1: idisc folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Austin Rules folded on the 5th Street
Seat 3: skitta folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DrKneenie folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pacejack mucked [ ]
Seat 6: rackmstackm folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Ironside showed [ ] and won (419) with two pair, Kings and Eight

[ifm]

Did i get it right that at Notts you pay anyone who wants to deal?
They changed this at Walsall a few weeks back saying that a new directorate from the BGB outlawed dealers being paid by players as it can lead to cheating-this is in cash games though.
Used to have a queue of folks waiting to deal and now it's self deal and plenty of guys have lost an income!!
Ironside, all comps 20 and above are provided with house dealers at Walsall and the Broadway.
Ian

[Yogi-Bear]

Im pretty sure the Gaming Board would take a dim view of the fact that dealers are getting paid off the top of the prize fund. Altho if the players are doing it off their own back and the casino is not involved then they may be ok.

Yogi

[Karabiner]

What is the position on players (skint ones that is) dealing cash games and receiving tips ?

[ifm]

As i said Karabiner this was a recent gaming board rule change, casual dealers are allowed but CANNOT be tipped by the players.
I think it's silly but as Danny at Walsall put it it's designed to stop someone dealing his/her pal a good hand.
Ian

[Yogi-Bear]

That is most definately frowned upon by the gaming board.

We have had to stop people doing it. As has Walsall and others. I'm sure it will still go on in some places.

But would u really want some one dealing who is related to someone else in the game??

Yogi

[Karabiner]

The main problem in Nottingham is the lack of healthy competition.

Both casinos are owned by Gala. There is a third but it's more of a private member's club.

In the good old days before Stanleys took over the old Hamblin Grand in Derby,
the casino used to add 2000 per week to the poker tournaments, the maximum allowed by the Gaming Board.

Because Derby added 2000 per week Nottingham did the same or similar.

Derby then started their monthly 100 tournament on a Tuesday with 1000 added.

Nottingham followed suit with a Sunday monthly 100 with 1000 added.

Derby started putting on a free buffet one night, ditto Nottingham.

Then Stanleys took over Derby, instantly scrapped the added money, phased out the dealers and eventually closed the cardroom.

Gala followed suit to some extent and I believe that if it were not for the sudden poker "boom"
would have closed the cardroom too.

If a Grosvenor casino were suddenly to arrive in Nottingham and provide poker with dealers
Gala would provide them instantly.

That, in my opinion is the crux of the problem.

Now if the casinos do not make any money directly out of poker tournaments 
and their following, why were they so anxious to gain their custom in the days of Hamblin Derby ?

[K9sixtwo]

I have not played much at Casinos , having a limited budget and expensive wife, but have played at three casinos in 10 Rebuys two of them Gala Bournemouth and Grosvenor Luton have no dealers and Grosvenor Blackpool has house dealers....Now with a 10 rebuy and 1 buy in the house are making squat on this....

However lets not overlook the fact that if Poker is bringing extra punters .. How many of them are avoiding the House Games ..Very few... And can anyone tell me of a Casino where the Poker room is at the front of the premises not at the back past all the house Games and the evils of temptation on the way in and on the way out Its classic Casino design and all set up to get your money away from you and it works thats why they design them like that... 

[redsimon]

... And can anyone tell me of a Casino where the Poker room is at the front of the premises not at the back past all the house Games and the evils of temptation on the way in and on the way out Its classic Casino design and all set up to get your money away from you and it works thats why they design them like that...

You can get in the Notts Gala cardroom without passing a single "house game" table...

[AdamM]

When I go to the Gala at notingham they make precisely 2 from me. 1 coke before the game and 1 coke before the final. I can kinda see why they're not bending over backwards to accomodate people like me. I suppose I'm the extreme. I would rather pay a full rake and have dealers although there are straight dealer players there (Tikay won't remember but he dealt my table on my second visit there last January)

[K9sixtwo]

As soon as I posted I thought ....I bet theres one or two where the card room will be at the front ....and RedSimon hasn't disappointed me .... I'll get my coat...

[snoopy1239]

But you have to pass the table to collect your winnings. 

[redsimon]

But you have to pass the table to collect your winnings.

But thats so rare though!

[snoopy1239]

Good point well made.