Multiway Pot / Reverse Implied Odds

[gatso]

a couple of previous threads which drifted into a discussion of what reverse implied odds are

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=12401.15
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=2919.45

[daviebhoy]

I understood there was quite a lot of disagreement about this. Flushy's description seems pretty specific. I prefer to think of it as including factors I need to consider which actually counter any implied odds on making my hand.

[bolt pp]

Love the explanation of what RIO's are not!

doing it in reverse obv!

[Royal Flush]

I understood there was quite a lot of disagreement about this. Flushy's description seems pretty specific. I prefer to think of it as including factors I need to consider which actually counter any implied odds on making my hand.

Your explanation is just a miss calculation of your pot odds, someone already has the str8. That is not the same as RIO, they are when you lose money when you make your hand, there is no 'disagreement' about what RIO's are its a very definded concept.


Do not confuse badly calculated pots odds with reverse implied odds.


P.S. When you river your miracle, jam plz, dont check.

[Cf]

Love the explanation of what RIO's are not!

RIO are when you draw to make a hand but still lose, say you call with 78 soooted when you have flopped a flush draw and lose to a higher flush draw, or say you peel to make a set get there but find oppo had flopped a higher set.

Does my explanation not match this definition, or am I missing a subtle difference?

[Royal Flush]

Love the explanation of what RIO's are not!

RIO are when you draw to make a hand but still lose, say you call with 78 soooted when you have flopped a flush draw and lose to a higher flush draw, or say you peel to make a set get there but find oppo had flopped a higher set.

Does my explanation not match this definition, or am I missing a subtle difference?

You appear to be missing a big difference, you talk about what hand is going to pay you off when you hit, that is calculating your implied odds...it has nothing to do with RIO's

[snoopy1239]

You need to raise more with a hand like A-9 at these stakes. These hands aren't easy to play, so make sure you're up against just one numpty that you can outplay on the streets. Once you've missed, forget about it. You're trying to bluff a billion players on the turn, don't bother.

[daviebhoy]

Your explanation is just a miss calculation of your pot odds, someone already has the str8. That is not the same as RIO, they are when you lose money when you make your hand, there is no 'disagreement' about what RIO's are its a very definded concept.
[/quote]

I think you are missing what I have said. ROI does differ depending upon what book you are reading or webpage you look up. To think that ROI is universally understood to be the same thing by everyone is clearly wrong.

I understand that essentially it has to do with cards coming that will cost you money (like making my straight when someone has a bigger a straight) as opposed to cards coming to make you money but I was trying to say that when for practical terms I try to think about all these factors that may cost me money as ROI to compare with my Implied odds if I think a decision is close.

[bolt pp]

Your explanation is just a miss calculation of your pot odds, someone already has the str8. That is not the same as RIO, they are when you lose money when you make your hand, there is no 'disagreement' about what RIO's are its a very definded concept.

I think you are missing what I have said. ROI does differ depending upon what book you are reading or webpage you look up. To think that ROI is universally understood to be the same thing by everyone is clearly wrong.

I understand that essentially it has to do with cards coming that will cost you money (like making my straight when someone has a bigger a straight) as opposed to cards coming to make you money but I was trying to say that when for practical terms I try to think about all these factors that may cost me money as ROI to compare with my Implied odds if I think a decision is close.
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lol, WHAT?

[Royal Flush]

I think you are missing what I have said. ROI does differ depending upon what book you are reading or webpage you look up. To think that ROI is universally understood to be the same thing by everyone is clearly wrong.

I understand that essentially it has to do with cards coming that will cost you money (like making my straight when someone has a bigger a straight) as opposed to cards coming to make you money but I was trying to say that when for practical terms I try to think about all these factors that may cost me money as ROI to compare with my Implied odds if I think a decision is close.

I think you are getting very confused now.....ROI is Return of Investment/Return on Investment.

It's great that you think about all factors however it doesn't half make it confusing when you call them things they are not!!

[Graham C]

 

[Jamier-Host]

why are we playing this hand in the first place?

"to attack the limpers" sigh, pls at this level just forget about doing that shit.

once theres two limpers you can limp if really want  but id rather limp a 65 or something there than your hand.

Personally i'd bang it up to about £3 - but then i'd prob do that regardless what i had cos it's more fun no?