live hand in biggish buyin

[cambo]

ok 10 handed table. 20 players left from an initial 70+ tournament. buyin 250+25 pounds. last hand of day 1.

blinds 800-1600-100
average stack is 70k
9 prizes

button on seat 1
your on the bb (seat3)with 46k and have been dealt   .

action....

seat 4 ,utg, raises to 5k from a starting stack of 45k

seats 5,6,7,8 fold

seat 9 shoves allin for a total of 15k

seat 10, 1, 2 (sb) all fold

no information on any players

action on you.......

[NoflopsHomer]

Erm...shove?

[cambo]

just deleted my reply to homer ill wait till there a few responces

[Newmanseye]

autocall, 1/3 of your stack witha premium, if he has AA the fair doos but WTF would you be calling him with here

[tikay]

Erm...shove?

Is there any other option? (Rhetorical).

Even I get it all-in here, & I don't give a toss if I win or lose, because I did the right thing.

[cambo]

why would we want to shove here, surely we make utg fold loads of hands and go back to days 2 with under ave when we could win a monster pot

[Newmanseye]

Cambo what answer are you looking for ?

[Longy]

I quite like flatting to get utg into the pot then trying to extract the rest postflop. A shove is simply going to isolate the shortie and utg is going to need a monster to get it in. Whereas if we flat utg will call us with a pretty wide range relative to his opening range and we can stack quite a few inferior hands postflop.

This of course is read dependent and a slightly riskier line but imo is more +EV than iso shoving.

[cambo]

my mate said yes shove, i say no i want to play for utg stack , we dont get kk very often and by shoving here imo we are making utg fold too many hands i want him in the pot with, so i posted here to get thoughts, seems a bit scared to shove here

[gribbo]

agree with longy, just hope ace doesn't hit or guy doesn't flop a set then your laughing. U may even get the original guy to shove something like AK or qq if u flat.

[NoflopsHomer]

Cold calling a 3-bet vs a UTG raise doesn't scream monster strength?

[cambo]

surely is better than shoving and making him fold 1010 99 jj aq etc?

[Newmanseye]

I think your thought process is wrong here, you are getting married to the hand by committing 1/3 of your stack to it really, the extra 20ish k is significant to your stack, this is the last hand of day 1, not the last hand to gather chips, take the pot the way it is, its big enough and limit your liablity/ risk.

Shove shove shove

thats not playing scared thats just not the way you wanted to play the hand.

each to their own thats what makes poker a great game

[kinboshi]

surely is better than shoving and making him fold 1010 99 jj aq etc?

You flat call, and the flop comes down with an over-card to 99, TT, JJ - what do you do then?  Shove the rest in?  You shove it in pre-flop, and they are most likely going to call.  They are less likely to call a shove on the flop with overcards on the board.

[cambo]

lol why are they most likely to call? its more than likely they fold if u shove in