To be or not to be: Rulings

[nirvana]

read this lot again and surprising that the OP posts his tale

Like saying "I mugged a granny but she was a mug being out late cause I'm a little bit waaaay, a little bit wooooooah - what do you all think"

[celtic]

lol @ nirvana. Quality.

One question tho, wasn't deucy, juicy, jewsy, dewi angle shooting by trying to talk steve out of raising so that he could see a cheap flop? This seems a bit like 6 of one and the same amount of the other. No?

[MANTIS01]

read this lot again and surprising that the OP posts his tale

Like saying "I mugged a granny but she was a mug being out late cause I'm a little bit waaaay, a little bit wooooooah - what do you all think"

My granny carries a bat when she goes out late

[WarBwastard]

Not sure this is an angle shoot.  Poker is a predatory game isn't it, I mean you make money from the weakness of the other players, either through their bad play or lack of understanding.  It sounds to me like the Jewsy/juicy/dewi/doosy/jewzy guy has been playing long enough to know that he shouldn't be putting himself in this situation particularly on that day when a ruling has been made in the main event and everyone's talking about it.  He's not 9 is he, I mean is a grown man who understands it's his responsibility to know the rules and to accept that there are people playing who have no regard for certain etiquette's.  It seems inexplicable that the guy didn't understand he was going to be made to call the bet after he's been told by the OP his verbals are binding and everyone has been talking about the ruling from the previous tournament.  I suppose whether you think this is acceptable depends on whether you agree that it's a crime to let a sucker keep his money (just been watching Rounders).  If you say "i'm calling you if you bet" you're asking for trouble really aren't you? 

[Longines]

Not sure this is an angle shoot.  Poker is a predatory game isn't it, I mean you make money from the weakness of the other players, either through their bad play or lack of understanding.  It sounds to me like the Jewsy/juicy/dewi/doosy/jewzy guy has been playing long enough to know that he shouldn't be putting himself in this situation particularly on that day when a ruling has been made in the main event and everyone's talking about it.  He's not 9 is he, I mean is a grown man who understands it's his responsibility to know the rules and to accept that there are people playing who have no regard for certain etiquette's.  It seems inexplicable that the guy didn't understand he was going to be made to call the bet after he's been told by the OP his verbals are binding and everyone has been talking about the ruling from the previous tournament.  I suppose whether you think this is acceptable depends on whether you agree that it's a crime to let a sucker keep his money (just been watching Rounders).  If you say "i'm calling you if you bet" you're asking for trouble really aren't you? 

This. IMO.

[Royal Flush]

(just been watching Rounders)

Good idea to base an argument on a film about cheating at poker!

If these rules were always used then whenever myself and Paul Parker share a table we would be all in all the time!!

[WarBwastard]

(just been watching Rounders)

Good idea to base an argument on a film about cheating at poker!

If these rules were always used then whenever myself and Paul Parker share a table we would be all in all the time!!

Wasn't basing my argument on a film. 

[nirvana]

Celtic, I kinda buy a bit of the ticket that Juicy should protect himself if this was normal  everyday stuff.

The way this all sounds is that he was lulled in to some banter for some comedy value based on the whole thing being a hot topic. Until OP gets the chiv out

[celtic]

or how about. dewcee limps on the button, steve gives a big speech with, if i bet will you call? doosee says no, so steve goes all in and dewsea calls with AA. What would the ruling be here?

[MANTIS01]

or how about. dewcee limps on the button, steve gives a big speech with, if i bet will you call? doosee says no, so steve goes all in and dewsea calls with AA. What would the ruling be here?

dewsaay would have to beat up a granny? Or would have to watch Rounders? One of these two rulings would be the common sense approach imo.

[ItsMrAlex2u]

Not sure this is an angle shoot.  Poker is a predatory game isn't it, I mean you make money from the weakness of the other players, either through their bad play or lack of understanding.  It sounds to me like the Jewsy/juicy/dewi/doosy/jewzy guy has been playing long enough to know that he shouldn't be putting himself in this situation particularly on that day when a ruling has been made in the main event and everyone's talking about it.  He's not 9 is he, I mean is a grown man who understands it's his responsibility to know the rules and to accept that there are people playing who have no regard for certain etiquette's.  It seems inexplicable that the guy didn't understand he was going to be made to call the bet after he's been told by the OP his verbals are binding and everyone has been talking about the ruling from the previous tournament.  I suppose whether you think this is acceptable depends on whether you agree that it's a crime to let a sucker keep his money (just been watching Rounders).  If you say "i'm calling you if you bet" you're asking for trouble really aren't you? 

This. IMO.

and IMO

Cant help but feel that OP has had an unnecessarily hard time over this> I dont play live that often so could have found myself in this situation I would have thought.
The subject has been discussed all night,
I get a genuine hand and am deciding how much to raise
Idiot makes a stupid comment about calling whatever the raise
So I shove.

At that stage OP shoved with the intention of a show down. No way did he think that oppo would end up mucking. Oppo is the idiot here and should have just taken the 40/60 showdown chance.

If OP version of events are accurate, he explained the situ properly and tried to stop the guy from folding.

[ItsMrAlex2u]

if his shove had been with AA would it still have been an angle shoot to make the guys verbal bet stand?

I think not, no one forced him to say we would call any bet.

So why any different with AK here?

[Jamier-Host]

or how about. dewcee limps on the button, steve gives a big speech with, if i bet will you call? doosee says no, so steve goes all in and dewsea calls with AA. What would the ruling be here?

Surely you just min raise?

[JungleCat03]

If you sit there discussing with the table how you think a rule is dumb and unfair in an extended conversation then go on to invoke that rule to disadvantage a player a few moments later, that is obviously not good form!

Not sure this is an angle shoot.  Poker is a predatory game isn't it, I mean you make money from the weakness of the other players, either through their bad play or lack of understanding.  It sounds to me like the Jewsy/juicy/dewi/doosy/jewzy guy has been playing long enough to know that he shouldn't be putting himself in this situation particularly on that day when a ruling has been made in the main event and everyone's talking about it.  He's not 9 is he, I mean is a grown man who understands it's his responsibility to know the rules and to accept that there are people playing who have no regard for certain etiquette's.  It seems inexplicable that the guy didn't understand he was going to be made to call the bet after he's been told by the OP his verbals are binding and everyone has been talking about the ruling from the previous tournament.  I suppose whether you think this is acceptable depends on whether you agree that it's a crime to let a sucker keep his money (just been watching Rounders).  If you say "i'm calling you if you bet" you're asking for trouble really aren't you? 

This is true and if you leave your backdoor unlocked you are asking to be robbed. This doesn't make the burglers blameless though!

[WarBwastard]

If you sit there discussing with the table how you think a rule is dumb and unfair in an extended conversation then go on to invoke that rule to disadvantage a player a few moments later, that is obviously not good form!

Not sure this is an angle shoot.  Poker is a predatory game isn't it, I mean you make money from the weakness of the other players, either through their bad play or lack of understanding.  It sounds to me like the Jewsy/juicy/dewi/doosy/jewzy guy has been playing long enough to know that he shouldn't be putting himself in this situation particularly on that day when a ruling has been made in the main event and everyone's talking about it.  He's not 9 is he, I mean is a grown man who understands it's his responsibility to know the rules and to accept that there are people playing who have no regard for certain etiquette's.  It seems inexplicable that the guy didn't understand he was going to be made to call the bet after he's been told by the OP his verbals are binding and everyone has been talking about the ruling from the previous tournament.  I suppose whether you think this is acceptable depends on whether you agree that it's a crime to let a sucker keep his money (just been watching Rounders).  If you say "i'm calling you if you bet" you're asking for trouble really aren't you? 

This is true and if you leave your backdoor unlocked you are asking to be robbed. This doesn't make the burglers blameless though!

Can't really compare the two situations what with one being playing within the rules of a game of cards and one being an illegal action you ought to go to jail for.

But anyway, if robbing someone who had left their doors unlocked suddenly became legal, it sort of does make the burglar blameless.  Especially if the burglar had warned you specifically a few times that he was going to burgle you if your door was open and your whole street had been discussing the new law that very day.