blonde & Poker Trillion

[MPOWER]

One thing we can say is that by having this thread the players have had an immediate point of contact which could only be a good thing.

Point of contact of sombody no longer works for PT... Great  

Colin Not paid for 4 months and still beating the company drum   to believe that you must be on Glue.

Colin will still be in the same office answering the same phone reporting to the same managers.

I emailed colin asking if Blonde havea chance of getting there money.

I personally think Colin is Pissing up your legs when you not looking imho.


 Hi Jonathan,

 

I am in constant contact with Tony Kendall, and I too, along with the network are owed a considerable sum of money by Trillion.

 

The network has done the honorable thing and stepped in to preserve player interests.

 

I am now employed by a difference company, and am also just a creditor to PT. Currently we are all trying to learn the process and find out what chance we have of recovering some money.

 

Although I am happy to comment further on my own situation, future enquires regarding the money owed to Blonde should be directed to them.

 

Best Regards

Colin


Regards

M

[byronkincaid]

Whilst it is true I am owed, at the end of the day I don't give a toss if they pay me back or not.  I DON'T CARE!!! 

how much?

[Laxie]

Whilst it is true I am owed, at the end of the day I don't give a toss if they pay me back or not.  I DON'T CARE!!! 

how much?

It's small and irrelevant... BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!!!

[kukushkin88]

It's harsh for Geo to take criticism for what is quite an accurate observation. I am certain that in the majority of cases if you asked any random sample of players what their major concern would be if an online site hit serious financial trouble, it would be that their funds are secure, so far we aren't aware of anyone who has a substantial amount of money on PT.
I think it's great that everyone thinks so much of BP as an organisation and lets hope that they recover their debt, Geo's comments would be accurate in the vast majority of cases though.

[Eck]

Does it annoy me that blonde are due £7k? of course it does, however my main priority would be to ensure that my own monies were safe.

I also like this forum, the updates, the blonde bashes, the results service, the articles, Kinboshi, the blonde leagues, etc.

And?

which would you like to see disappear? you choose

That's an easy one

[EvilPie]

There is a vast difference between the money owed to Blonde and the money in player's accounts.

The money owed to Blonde is a commercial debt. When the administrators arrive Blonde will get sweet FA as will all of the other debtors.

Player's money is presumably in some kind of holding account. It belongs to the player's and if it goes missing will be theft.

The Trillion people will be more than happy to go bankrupt as that carries no real consequences. Theft/fraud on the other hand would be a much bigger issue and I'm sure they won't fancy getting locked up.

They are not in a cash business where transactions can be hidden. Everything is recorded somewhere so there is no way they would get away with it. Therefore I would guess that player's money is perfectly safe whilst Blonde's has gone forever.

I have been in this type of situation personally through work and I can assure anyone it is not pleasant no matter how much money is involved. £7k may not sound like a hell of a lot of money but at some point there comes a final straw that breaks the camel's back and in a small company £7k can easily be that straw.

I hope blonde manage to fight through this and can continue to trade in the same manner which they have done since I first joined. If things change then unfortunately it will probably be for the worse so we all lose out.

I wish the Blonde team the best of luck dealing with next few dfficult months.

[HOLDorFOLD]

So have Rockem 'bought' out Poker Trillion?   If it has then they are entitled to keep the player database and also take on PT debts do they not?

If they haven't bought out Poker Trillion then under the data protection act I thought they were not automatically entitled to the player database (based on knowledge that is about 5 years old now granted so it may have changed).   If it transpires that they are not automatically entitled to the  player database (except for the people that clicked on the 'third party' option) then anyone that is contacted by Rockem Poker would have grounds to contact them asking where their name was acquired and ask for removal from the list.

As long as they do NOT play on the new software, if they are contacted again by Rockem then the player would have grounds to report Rocken who in turn could be fined.  (If they download the new software it may automatical be seen as acceptence of transferrence though, I am not sure)

Like I said, this was based on rules about 5 years ago when i worked with MGN's database - and from what I remember it was very strict back then and companies did get fined for data missuse (via selling on names etc).   

[EvilPie]

I obviously didn't make my point very clear.  Whilst it is true I am owed, at the end of the day I don't give a toss if they pay me back or not.  I DON'T CARE!!! 

What I do care about is the money they owe the forum.  I've had a great time here and when meeting fellow blondes in person.  Until they have paid BLONDE'S money back, I haven't a notion of playing with PT...or anyone who picks up PT's pieces.

Laxie, you and others have to understand that you are not owed anything. You haven't lent anybody anything and have not provided a service which has incurred a debt therefore they can't owe you anything.

Your money is being held on your behalf by a third party for use on a poker site whether it be Trillion or Rockem or whoever. It is very difficult for them to keep your money as they would have to steal it and face criminal charges.

Blonde are owed money. They will not get it back as it is a commercial debt. It is completely different.

[Poker Trillion]

Sorry guys, let me clarify.....

As PT could not fullfill their debt to Everleaf (the network) and did not respond to numerous requests for payment, Everleaf rightfully terminated their contract.

The contract (like most others I assume) stipulates that in this scenario the player database becomes the responsibility of the network.

The fact that Everleaf have assumed control of the player base, does not mean that the debt PT owe them is written off. It is up to Everleaf how they choose to persue this, but with people on the ground in Malta (where Trillion Ltd is registered) they they might find info easier to come by. I have passed on contact details between Blonde and Everleaf and I am naturally interested in this outcome.

Rockem Poker is currently owned by Everleaf. The Rockem skin was built some time ago for another client who did not complete, so was instantly available as a solution for the PT player base. I am not working for the same people in any way shape or form. The Trillion office was in London, I am currently working from home and have been since the end of November. I have had no contact with those who were supposedly behind Trillion for some time.

Also, the main reason why the Trillion name was not kept is that ELG cannot get hold of the URL. It does not belong to Trillion Ltd. Whois shows a 3rd party reseller and its not know what contract Trillion had with this reseller, so the safe option was to use the new name.  

Laxie. I did email you only 1h before you posted to see if you needed any more assistance, as you didn't reply to my previous email earlier this week. Please don't suggest you won't get the funds. It is more than reasonable to ask to see proof you own the card, as in days gone by, the oldest trick in the book was to make a deposit with a stolen card, only to withdrawal to a legit one. Fortunately due to the 3D security now online, such checks will not be necessary in the future.

Col

[danafish]

I also like this forum, the updates, the blonde bashes, the results service, the articles, the blonde leagues, etc.

Goodbye, all those nice things. Frankly, I'm outraged, and I don't think it's entirely down to a piddling £7k from Poker Trillion.

[lazaroonie]

and if I can do the right thing by Blonde, PL or any of the others in the future, then rest assured I will

Col

You're being well sharp sorting players probs out on this thread Col. That's because you want these players to continue with RockEm. So in reality you're doing stuff that ultimately benefits YOU. Can you tell us exactly what you've done to do the right thing by Blonde and what the result is. By showing how you are pursuiting this debt in a vigorous manner would be the best way to pacify players imo and be a great PR exercise for you. Ultimately the debt is a marketing one and you were responsible for marketing. Your post only tells us you've sorted yourself and you are confused as to who the good guys are imo.

disagree - the debt between PT and blonde is a business debt and has zilch to do with the players. This chap has accepted a position with a company who are going to guarantee him a paycheck - he is now doing his job which is to attract new/existing players to the new skin. Of course if it were possible for him to pull 7 grand from a hat and pay back blonde he would probably find attracting players a great deal easier, but I suspect this isnt possible. What do you expect him to do in the meantime, tell people to avoid playing at the new room ?

[TightEnd]

I also like this forum, the updates, the blonde bashes, the results service, the articles, the blonde leagues, etc.

Goodbye, all those nice things. Frankly, I'm outraged, and I don't think it's entirely down to a piddling £7k from Poker Trillion.

Of course whatever changes have to be made are not entirely down to this debt alone. There have been multiple other issues, but this debt is a large contributory factor.

[Geo the Sarge]

Does it annoy me that blonde are due £7k? of course it does, however my main priority would be to ensure that my own monies were safe.

I also like this forum, the updates, the blonde bashes, the results service, the articles, the blonde leagues, etc.

And?

which would you like to see disappear? you choose

A bit petty IMO Rich,

You know damn well I do not wish blonde to lose any of this. Was merely stating what most players initial thoughts would probably be, wasn't intended to be a "if blonde goes down the pan and my money is safe I don't give a toss" post.

Geo

[MANTIS01]

and if I can do the right thing by Blonde, PL or any of the others in the future, then rest assured I will

Col

You're being well sharp sorting players probs out on this thread Col. That's because you want these players to continue with RockEm. So in reality you're doing stuff that ultimately benefits YOU. Can you tell us exactly what you've done to do the right thing by Blonde and what the result is. By showing how you are pursuiting this debt in a vigorous manner would be the best way to pacify players imo and be a great PR exercise for you. Ultimately the debt is a marketing one and you were responsible for marketing. Your post only tells us you've sorted yourself and you are confused as to who the good guys are imo.

disagree - the debt between PT and blonde is a business debt and has zilch to do with the players. This chap has accepted a position with a company who are going to guarantee him a paycheck - he is now doing his job which is to attract new/existing players to the new skin. Of course if it were possible for him to pull 7 grand from a hat and pay back blonde he would probably find attracting players a great deal easier, but I suspect this isnt possible. What do you expect him to do in the meantime, tell people to avoid playing at the new room ?

1. I don't expect the guy to say he will do the right thing by Blonde if there's nothing he can do. I would prefer him to say there's nothing he can do and just go about his business.

2. The debt to Blonde has everything to do with players. When there's no update from GUKPT Walsall next month please tell me the debt has nothing to do with us because I will contest that.

3. Colin, do you think Everleaf should/can/will pay Blonde the 7k?

[Geo the Sarge]

One thing we can say is that by having this thread the players have had an immediate point of contact which could only be a good thing.

Point of contact of sombody no longer works for PT... Great  

Colin Not paid for 4 months and still beating the company drum   to believe that you must be on Glue.

Colin will still be in the same office answering the same phone reporting to the same managers.

I emailed colin asking if Blonde havea chance of getting there money.

I personally think Colin is Pissing up your legs when you not looking imho.


 Hi Jonathan,

 

I am in constant contact with Tony Kendall, and I too, along with the network are owed a considerable sum of money by Trillion.

 

The network has done the honorable thing and stepped in to preserve player interests.

 

I am now employed by a difference company, and am also just a creditor to PT. Currently we are all trying to learn the process and find out what chance we have of recovering some money.

 

Although I am happy to comment further on my own situation, future enquires regarding the money owed to Blonde should be directed to them.

 

Best Regards

Colin


Regards

M

How wrong you were (apart from blondes chances of getting their money back.)

Geo