The Best Ever retires

[NoflopsHomer]

gg mr calzaghe

[  ] Tom's post quality not dropped off recently...

[Colchester Kev]

Im gonna delete a few .... just because I can

[Nem]

Lewis was very good, in fact almost impossible to beat on his day, but I'm pretty reluctant to call him a 'great' or a 'legend'.

He had good skills, he was indeed ducked by many earlier in his career, he unified the titles and beat every fighter he ever faced.

But its mainly because he was just big - he was slow and lazy, but he was just the best big boxer out there. I think Tyson and Holyfield were two of the last great athletic, smaller heavyweights and Lewis was the first great big mother fucka, of which the division is now made up of. When he really tried, when he really put his mind to it, he was devastating, but most of the time he just cruised to victory, I think if he had been any other size he would never have made it as a boxer. Great for British Boxing, but way off the best ever list imo.

the punch that hasim Rahman(sp) knocked in out with(i think in SA)? wouldnt have even rocked the likes of Ali as a jab.

Ali wouldn't stand a chance against modern day heavy weight boxers. It's an entirely different sport to what it was in Ali's day.

I wouldn't say he wouldn't stand a chance but you have a point.

Its called Evolution.

[bolt pp]

Lewis was very good, in fact almost impossible to beat on his day, but I'm pretty reluctant to call him a 'great' or a 'legend'.

He had good skills, he was indeed ducked by many earlier in his career, he unified the titles and beat every fighter he ever faced.

But its mainly because he was just big - he was slow and lazy, but he was just the best big boxer out there. I think Tyson and Holyfield were two of the last great athletic, smaller heavyweights and Lewis was the first great big mother fucka, of which the division is now made up of. When he really tried, when he really put his mind to it, he was devastating, but most of the time he just cruised to victory, I think if he had been any other size he would never have made it as a boxer. Great for British Boxing, but way off the best ever list imo.

the punch that hasim Rahman(sp) knocked in out with(i think in SA)? wouldnt have even rocked the likes of Ali as a jab.

Ali wouldn't stand a chance against modern day heavy weight boxers. It's an entirely different sport to what it was in Ali's day.

I wouldn't say he wouldn't stand a chance but you have a point.

Its called Evolution.

Jack Johnson would beat any heavywieght fighting today

[Nem]

Lewis was very good, in fact almost impossible to beat on his day, but I'm pretty reluctant to call him a 'great' or a 'legend'.

He had good skills, he was indeed ducked by many earlier in his career, he unified the titles and beat every fighter he ever faced.

But its mainly because he was just big - he was slow and lazy, but he was just the best big boxer out there. I think Tyson and Holyfield were two of the last great athletic, smaller heavyweights and Lewis was the first great big mother fucka, of which the division is now made up of. When he really tried, when he really put his mind to it, he was devastating, but most of the time he just cruised to victory, I think if he had been any other size he would never have made it as a boxer. Great for British Boxing, but way off the best ever list imo.

the punch that hasim Rahman(sp) knocked in out with(i think in SA)? wouldnt have even rocked the likes of Ali as a jab.

Ali wouldn't stand a chance against modern day heavy weight boxers. It's an entirely different sport to what it was in Ali's day.

I wouldn't say he wouldn't stand a chance but you have a point.

Its called Evolution.

Jack Johnson would beat any heavywieght fighting today

:-)

[Numpty Dumpty]

gg mr calzaghe

[  ] Tom's post quality not dropped off recently...

lololol (does that count?)

[bolt pp]

I can imagine if he were alive today what he wouldve thought of whats happend to the heavywieght division in the past 10 years? put him in the ring with that russian dude(the shit russian younger one of the brothers, cant remember their names) thats been hanging onto the title for ages now by jabbing and running every fight, shit scared to get hit and cant puch to save his life, Johnson would be like: "WTF bruv, this is a boxing match"? then he'd bowl up to him and knock him spark out. the guy used to fight 15-20 rounds, sometimes tiny litlle pads instead of gloves, none of these guys have got the power to hurt him, he was a beast of a guy, he'd roll over these mugs, no drama.

[Nem]

The heavyweight division should be renamed the lolweight division as it is so poor nowadays - poorest of all time?

[DaveShoelace]

Lewis was very good, in fact almost impossible to beat on his day, but I'm pretty reluctant to call him a 'great' or a 'legend'.

He had good skills, he was indeed ducked by many earlier in his career, he unified the titles and beat every fighter he ever faced.

But its mainly because he was just big - he was slow and lazy, but he was just the best big boxer out there. I think Tyson and Holyfield were two of the last great athletic, smaller heavyweights and Lewis was the first great big mother fucka, of which the division is now made up of. When he really tried, when he really put his mind to it, he was devastating, but most of the time he just cruised to victory, I think if he had been any other size he would never have made it as a boxer. Great for British Boxing, but way off the best ever list imo.

the punch that hasim Rahman(sp) knocked in out with(i think in SA)? wouldnt have even rocked the likes of Ali as a jab.

Ali wouldn't stand a chance against modern day heavy weight boxers. It's an entirely different sport to what it was in Ali's day.

I wouldn't say he wouldn't stand a chance but you have a point.

Its called Evolution.

Jack Johnson would beat any heavywieght fighting today

This guy?

[bolt pp]

The heavyweight division should be renamed the lolweight division as it is so poor nowadays - poorest of all time?

yep.

how is it possible not to get ONE, not one single new fighter in the past 10 years that looks like he can do anything half decent.

i know holyfield's been about, and some will argue for lennox but how is it physically possible that out of all the people in the world for so long now there hasent been a 18/19-20 year old come on the scene and tear things up, instead we've had to watch crap russian, shit south africains, over aged or just appaullingly bad Americains for so long, i just dont get how every other division has a superstar, a real world class fighter(some have several) yet theres been not one in a decade of heavyweight boxing IMO.

Am i missing something, something fundemental in the way America produces it's boxer nowadays, do they just not bother with heavyweights, are there sanctions on who can do what, is there something in the system that literally precludes them from turning out decent heavyweight fighters over there cos i just dont get what the reason is?

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[GreekStein]

lol @ comparing how boxers from different generations would fare against one another.

[bolt pp]

lol @ comparing how boxers from different generations would fare against one another.

ty, thats the point

how comical it should be is indicative of how bad the heavyweight division of today is that opens up the platform to even consider it.

[DaveShoelace]

The heavyweight division should be renamed the lolweight division as it is so poor nowadays - poorest of all time?

yep.

how is it possible not to get ONE, not one single new fighter in the past 10 years that looks like he can do anything half decent.

i know holyfield's been about, and some will argue for lennox but how is it physically possible that out of all the people in the world for so long now there hasent been a 18/19-20 year old come on the scene and tear things up, instead we've had to watch crap russian, shit south africains, over aged or just appaullingly bad Americains for so long, i just dont get how every other division has a superstar, a real world class fighter(some have several) yet theres been not one in a decade of heavyweight boxing IMO.

Am i missing something, something fundemental in the way America produces it's boxer nowadays, do they just not bother with heavyweights, are there sanctions on who can do what, is there something in the system that literally precludes them from turning out decent heavyweight fighters over there cos i just dont get what the reason is?

All the athletic big guys in America would sooner play NFL or basketball where there is much more money. Yes there is money in boxing, but its very top heavy whereas there is loads of money in every level of the other big sports over there, so all the athletic guys aspire to play different sports these days and boxing is left with all the big fat slow fuckers.

I actually agree that someone like Jack Johnson would do well against, not necessarily dominate, the current crop of heavyweights, he would train for 15 rounds or more which a modern heavyweight would never ever come close to surviving in.

[kinboshi]

I'd like to put forward the argument that the heavyweight division has consistently had the poorest boxers in terms of skill and ability.  Of course there have been amazing, exciting fights in the heavyweight division - and there have been some special heavyweights.  But it's always been a division filled with over-weight, over-rated fighters who might have a big punch but aren't exactly 'pugilist specialists' (copyright Eubank).  It's the 'freak show division quite often, a spectacle.  Maybe this is why Ali stood out so much.