Should exctasy be downgraded to class B?

[bolt pp]

Shouldnt they differentiate between cocaine and crack cocaine?

[bolt pp]

12: Solvents (Legal)
ORIGIN: Organic compounds found in glues, paints, lighter fluid
MEDICAL: Includes glue, gas lighters, some aerosols and paint thinners. Produces euphoria and loss of inhibitions but can cause blackouts and death
NO. OF UK USERS: 37,000
NO. OF UK DEATHS IN 2004: 53
STREET VALUE: £9.99 a tin of paint
DANGER RATING: 1.35/3


"£9.99 a tin of paint"

 

[thetank]

Did anyone see the story recently that said horse riding was as addictive and dangerous as ecstasy?

If you find a linky I wouldn't mind having a look.

I mean, it sounds like bollocks, but I should probably read it before casting judgement.

why does it sound like bollocks? they've taken 2 things that aren't very dangerous or addictive and compared how dangerous and addictive they are. not really surprising that they came out about the same

An individual partaking in either horse riding, taking ecstasy or any other activity can take precautions to limit the risk they expose themselves to.

One horseback rider might always wear protective equipment that is in good condition and wear it correctly, they might only attempt to do the things they have the experience and training to do, they might not go out in bad weather, or on a horse they're not familiar with. A different horseback rider might pay attention to none of these things.

Both riders are not exposing themselves to the same risk, the statistic in the middle is useless.

Similarly with ecstasy, someone who keeps themselves hydrated and always buys from the same guy who has a decent reputation will be exposing themselves to less risk than someone who goes out and will buy anything and everything from someone they don't know.

Again, the stat is a pretty useless indicator as to how dangerous their chosen activity is.

It's a bit like saying that everyone who plays online poker will lose $x/hour because that is the average. If the people playing online bingo only lose half of $x/hour, then online bingo is a more profitable pursuit that online poker.


If you go horseback riding for the first time, you're probably being carefully supervised by professionals in controlled conditions. As this is probably not true of ecstasy, if the stats are similar, this would suggest to me that for someone taking precautions, horse back riding is by far in excess a more dangerous activity than taking ecstasy.

[thetank]

but I've not read the piece so couldn't possibly comment.

[GreekStein]

Steroids above anything is weird too. it can cause acne and temporary nut shrinkage

Roids also make nightclub bouncers and doormen utter c****

[booder]

Squidgy FTW

[Dewi_cool]

Did anyone see the story recently that said horse riding was as addictive and dangerous as ecstasy?

If you find a linky I wouldn't mind having a look.

I mean, it sounds like bollocks, but I should probably read it before casting judgement.

I don't recall them saying anything about addictive.

I only heard them say danger.

I think it was based on the fact that the same number of people die from ecstasy a year as die from horse riding accidents.

the advisor said that for every 30 deaths from ectasy there were 100 deaths from horseriding, therefore more dangerous, obviously he never said how many died when riding a horse whilst high on ectasy so pointless imo

[rex008]

The "equasy" (horse riding) vs ecstacy article is here. Horse riding is significantly riskier than taking ecstasy, although the article does appear to ignore long term health effects of ecstasy (some studies have indicated some, but not fully known yet).

Interesting point later on in it

A telling review of 10-year media reporting of drug deaths in
Scotland illustrates the distorted media perspective very well
(Forsyth, 2001). During this decade, the likelihood of a newspaper
reporting a death from paracetamol was in per 250 deaths,
for diazepam it was 1 in 50, whereas for amphetamine it was
1 in 3 and for ecstasy every associated death was reported.

Government ignoring scientific fact isn't exactly new. Legalise everything, IMO. If skydiving is legal, so should taking heroin.

[byronkincaid]

Steroids above anything is weird too. it can cause acne and temporary nut shrinkage

Roids also make nightclub bouncers and doormen utter c****

meh, watch bigger faster stronger, apparently it doesn't turn someone into a c*** who isn't one already but if you are a c*** it will make you more of one.

[AndrewT]

Alcohol No5?

Bolt's cologne of choice.

[gatso]

meh, watch bigger faster stronger, apparently it doesn't turn someone into a c*** who isn't one already but if you are a c*** it will make you more of one.

I have zero experience with roids. do they do this in the same way as alcohol/coke can or is it a much more chronic effect?

[bolt pp]

Steroids above anything is weird too. it can cause acne and temporary nut shrinkage

Roids also make nightclub bouncers and doormen utter c****

meh, watch bigger faster stronger, apparently it doesn't turn someone into a c*** who isn't one already but if you are a c*** it will make you more of one.

I know loads of people who take steroids and ive never seen in them any personality change or "roid rage"

maybe that exists for people that abuse steroids to look like the incredible hulk but people i know that train to fight, or work out recreationaly, or even to work the door dont get roid rage, not in my experiance anyway, not just people i half know, really good mates i see every day.

[cambo]

lol@40k smack users in uk, theres atleast 20k in glasgow alone

[thetank]

The "equasy" (horse riding) vs ecstacy article is here. Horse riding is significantly riskier than taking ecstasy, although the article does appear to ignore long term health effects of ecstasy (some studies have indicated some, but not fully known yet).

Interesting point later on in it

A telling review of 10-year media reporting of drug deaths in
Scotland illustrates the distorted media perspective very well
(Forsyth, 2001). During this decade, the likelihood of a newspaper
reporting a death from paracetamol was in per 250 deaths,
for diazepam it was 1 in 50, whereas for amphetamine it was
1 in 3 and for ecstasy every associated death was reported.

Government ignoring scientific fact isn't exactly new. Legalise everything, IMO. If skydiving is legal, so should taking heroin.

Was a good article, cheers for the link.

No longer want to diss it.

[Nem]

hell no imo.






























MDMA should be legalised