Flop gorgeous deep v nutter. mbn

[AlexMartin]

Opponent is table nutcase, playing 65/34/3. We have had two significant pots, the first is below, the second being when i 3b him w A9o and raised him on a 935r board when he donked and he folded.

history....

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 485458953 *****
NL $1/$2 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, February 21, 01:51:40 GMT 2009
Table Oxygen 59 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: JammyJenny ( $200 )
Seat 2: smo11ek ( $174.38 )
Seat 3: UBERUSER01 ( $297.70 )
Seat 4: Nikos56 ( $194 )
Seat 5: Gabriel12 ( $582.24 )
Seat 6: A_Hoffman ( $1,127.45 )
smo11ek posts small blind [$1]
UBERUSER01 posts big blind [$2]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [ , ]
Nikos56 folds
Gabriel12 folds
A_Hoffman raises to [$7]
JammyJenny raises to [$24]
smo11ek folds
UBERUSER01 folds
A_Hoffman calls [$17]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
A_Hoffman checks
JammyJenny checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
A_Hoffman bets [$38.25]
JammyJenny calls [$38.25]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
A_Hoffman bets [$137]
JammyJenny calls [$137]
** Showdown **
A_Hoffman shows [ , ] high card Ace
JammyJenny shows [ , ] a pair of Queens
** Hand Conclusion **
JammyJenny wins $398.50 from main pot with a pair of Queens
************  Game 485458953 ends  ************

Hand. Im really torn on the flop between getting him to shove big combodraws now or just cring turn. Thoughts?


***** Hand History for Game 485463861 *****
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, February 21, 02:07:07 ET 2009
Table Oxygen 59 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: JammyJenny ( $644.25 USD )
Seat 2: macc twn ( $0.00 USD )
Seat 3: UBERUSER01 ( $300.10 USD )
Seat 4: Nikos56 ( $199.00 USD )
Seat 5: Gabriel12 ( $611.69 USD )
Seat 6: A_Hoffman ( $678.40 USD )
JammyJenny posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
UBERUSER01 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [  ]
Nikos56 folds
Gabriel12 folds
A_Hoffman raises [$7.00 USD]
JammyJenny raises [$23.00 USD]
UBERUSER01 folds
A_Hoffman calls [$17.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
JammyJenny bets [$38.00 USD]
A_Hoffman raises [$90.00 USD]

[Hairydude]

wouldnt this just be a standard reraise 3 bet?? he is table nutcase as you say so you might think of calling to trap but why give him the free card for his   ,  draws ect 3 bet up to $270 also leaves him plenty behind to try a rebluff if he does have air, or even still repop with his combi draws-obv. your wanting to stack him but if he folds its just a case of hard luck- I dont think this is a place to be making any fancy plays with several combination draws- ABC poker FTW with this guy.

[boldie]

tricky one..but I'm thinking out of position I raise back here...I find that when I flat here and check the turn to him he'll check behind on the turn....that is the only reason I'd raise here though. Don't mind either line really. Not too worried about the board really.

If I thought that by calling here I'd get him to fire another bet in on the turn with very little I'd flat here...If I thought he'd check behind me if I did that I'd repop him here.

[Hairydude]

tricky one..but I'm thinking out of position I raise back here...I find that when I flat here and check the turn to him he'll check behind on the turn....that is the only reason I'd raise here though. Don't mind either line really. Not too worried about the board really.

If I thought that by calling here I'd get him to fire another bet in on the turn with very little I'd flat here...If I thought he'd check behind me if I did that I'd repop him here.

Why not??? the texture of this board is what makes this hand good for us no???

A) he has the perfect hand for us    (well other than  ) but perfect reasonable hand- which would enable us to repop and get paid off as he would probably put the combi draw in Alex range(the Lag that he is  )

B)he is table nutter so if he picks up combi draw in this spot he's not letting it go is he?? why give a free card when he's going to play it anyway??

c)he has air- by betting $270 we leave plenty of rope to hang himself with a repop if he is crazy enough to make this play- which we have seen earlier that he is

either way its getting repopped up to $270 for me!

[MC]

What about flatting and leading the turn?

[boldie]

What about flatting and leading the turn?

I hate this move myself...I don't get what benefit you would get from that. You flat here to get him to take a stab at it on the turn with rubbish..leading out on the turn surely doesn't get any oppo to come over the top if he wasn't willing to do so on the flop? Repop the flop..or flat/check the turn are the only two options for me.

[MC]

Don't you think it looks kinda weak though? I'm not saying it's the best option, just suggesting it.

I guess it depends on what we have opponent on. If there's a good chance he has an ace, might as well just pop it back. Though I prefer to like $230-240. But if he has some kind of air, I think the lead out on the turn, for like $110 might just get him to shove...

[T_Mar]

I dont think either play is bad.. But I would opt for call and c/r turn... Villian already showed he will fold to some sort of pressure (A9 hand) and  his range is so wide here, that I would be making sure you kept him hooked rather than scaring him off

I'm not worried about giving free cards to this guy

[Longy]

I like making it about 220-230, leaving the nutter room to move in and it sets up stacks for the turn if he flats for moving it in on the turn. Problem with flatting here is being oop and it might get checked on the turn. I like flatting with position.

Fwiw this is all about extracting value from his range, protecting our hand should be less of priority as we stacking off any turn irrespective of the action.

[GreekStein]

hate flatting here. Let's make him put more money in right now if he has a fd or straight draw rather than see a brick turn and have him just fold.

[Royal Flush]

I probs 3 bet really small like 190, leaves him shit loads of fold equity.

[dousche]

flatting seems horrible. i guess flushys line depends on how suspiciously he regards such a small raise. having said that it looks like he'll jam with fd/combi draw so why not, im just not sure what gets max value from an ace...

[Royal Flush]

I dunno about cash games but generally the small raises like 90 into 190 are the ones that are bluffs in tournaments, you give so much rope to you oppo to be able to 4 bet to fold to a 5 bet.

[dousche]

I dunno about cash games but generally the small raises like 90 into 190 are the ones that are bluffs in tournaments, you give so much rope to you oppo to be able to 4 bet to fold to a 5 bet.

do you mean that you give your oppo enough room that he thinks he can make you pass with 4-bet? i think im misreading your post but it seems to me that ur saying that villain can 4-bet and fold to 5-bet

[Hairydude]

I probs 3 bet really small like 190, leaves him shit loads of fold equity.

Flushy do you mean $190 total or an additional $190(on top of oppo's $90 raise) so $260 total?? I know i'm probably several levels behind but if its only additional $100 to opponent this gives great odds for him to call if he does have combination draws(or even for just an undercard flush draw)?? or should we not even think of this at this stage? should it be all about fold equity and inducing the opponent to make a play with us having such a strong holding??