Broadway M/E - Monster Stacks

[Blatch]

Am I over valuing protecting a great stack at this early stage of the comp?

[Numpty Dumpty]

i think i play this one a little differently,

we can tell from the previous hand that she is genuinely awful. when she bets 3500 on the flop i play it in a way i wouldnt dream of against a decent player. I raise to 9000. If she has flopped a flush, although not definite, there is a good chance she will re-raise and give it away. Obviously if she shoves the flop you then have to pass (although the one hand you still beat is  )

if she flats then i think the flopped flush in unlikely i then lead out big on any blank turn (about 16k) to make the  or  pass. If she then jams, i think you have to make a crying call with a few outs against the flush (but there is also some small chance she could still have some kind of big draw such as    or  or a hand like  )

so tough to play against these kind of players!

[dousche]

i think i play this one a little differently,

we can tell from the previous hand that she is genuinely awful. when she bets 3500 on the flop i play it in a way i wouldnt dream of against a decent player. I raise to 9000. If she has flopped a flush, although not definite, there is a good chance she will re-raise and give it away. Obviously if she shoves the flop you then have to pass (although the one hand you still beat is  )

if she flats then i think the flopped flush in unlikely i then lead out big on any blank turn (about 16k) to make the  or  pass. If she then jams, i think you have to make a crying call with a few outs against the flush (but there is also some small chance she could still have some kind of big draw such as    or  or a hand like  )

so tough to play against these kind of players!

lol @ me getting to the end of the first page of this thread and getting ready to post about how flatting the flop bet makes the turn very difficult to play.

you'd never guess me and tom learned the game together!

[MANTIS01]

I wouldn't be falling over myself to put a single club in her hands. Is she really the type of player to be overbetting the draw here? I doubt that. It is far more likely she'd just c-call with or . Also, don't forget that while her range seems wide based on the previous hand she did actually raise with the K-10...but has called UTG here. The most likely hand if you're beat is 4-4 imo. If you are ahead...and she has a hand that would call a turn jam...and she's proved she doesn't shut down on the river...why do you need to jam the turn? Also raising the flop only to fold vs someone who over-values marginal hands is some fold imo.

[Blatch]

i think i play this one a little differently,

we can tell from the previous hand that she is genuinely awful. when she bets 3500 on the flop i play it in a way i wouldnt dream of against a decent player. I raise to 9000. If she has flopped a flush, although not definite, there is a good chance she will re-raise and give it away. Obviously if she shoves the flop you then have to pass (although the one hand you still beat is  )

if she flats then i think the flopped flush in unlikely i then lead out big on any blank turn (about 16k) to make the  or  pass. If she then jams, i think you have to make a crying call with a few outs against the flush (but there is also some small chance she could still have some kind of big draw such as    or  or a hand like  )

so tough to play against these kind of players!

Thx for the input tom.

After she made the bet on the turn I was leading away from A with a club and more towards the A4 or 44 type hand.

Surely if we lead the turn big time we are taking out the value in our hand? (If we have any)

[Numpty Dumpty]

Surely if we lead the turn big time we are taking out the value in our hand? (If we have any)

i'm not sure this is entirley true. against a decent player it certainly is, but seeing as she happily called off once with top pair no kicker i wouldnt be surprised to see a call with  or  on any blamk turn.

however, the raise on the flop shows more strength than keir did at any point so it depends whether you think she will pick up on it!

but, also, there is 20k in the pot by the turn if you do choose to raise the flop so it wouldnt be a massive dissapointment to take it there rather than sweat the club/cheeky 2 pair

[Numpty Dumpty]

Surely if we lead the turn big time we are taking out the value in our hand? (If we have any)

i'm not sure this is entirley true. against a decent player it certainly is, but seeing as she happily called off once with top pair no kicker i wouldnt be surprised to see a call with  or  on any blamk turn.

however, the raise on the flop shows more strength than keir did at any point so it depends whether you think she will pick up on it!

but, also, there is 20k in the pot by the turn if you do choose to raise the flop so it wouldnt be a massive dissapointment to take it there rather than sweat the club/cheeky 2 pair

but of course you were the one playing at the table with her so i'm sure you had much more of a idea about her than i could ever have from my computer screen!!

[AlexMartin]

flat flop. crai non-club turn. if shes flopped a flush good luck to her.

[GreekStein]

flat flop. crai non-club turn. if shes flopped a flush good luck to her.

This is basically what I said earlier Neil, except using 80x as many words. I think you're giving her far far too much respect

[Blatch]

flat flop. crai non-club turn. if shes flopped a flush good luck to her.

This is basically what I said earlier Neil, except using 80x as many words. I think you're giving her far far too much respect

I do alot of people and its something I need to work on

[Blatch]

Surely if we lead the turn big time we are taking out the value in our hand? (If we have any)

i'm not sure this is entirley true. against a decent player it certainly is, but seeing as she happily called off once with top pair no kicker i wouldnt be surprised to see a call with  or  on any blamk turn.

however, the raise on the flop shows more strength than keir did at any point so it depends whether you think she will pick up on it!

but, also, there is 20k in the pot by the turn if you do choose to raise the flop so it wouldnt be a massive dissapointment to take it there rather than sweat the club/cheeky 2 pair

but of course you were the one playing at the table with her so i'm sure you had much more of a idea about her than i could ever have from my computer screen!!

Thats the thing, I had literally only just got to be table, probably first orbit so no real info apart from the hand with kier and a friend telling me she is useless.

[Numpty Dumpty]

what actually happened?

[MANTIS01]

Why do you think kier didn't c-jam the turn with his K-Q? Kier maxed the value vs this villain by c-calling the turn so why would you do anything different here?

[GreekStein]

Why do you think kier didn't c-jam the turn with his K-Q? Kier maxed the value vs this villain by c-calling the turn so why would you do anything different here?

Incase we miss value when a club hits and villain doesnt have one?

Or if she doesnt have an ace at all and is drawing with something like  or  Q. let's get it in before she misses.

[MANTIS01]

Why do you think kier didn't c-jam the turn with his K-Q? Kier maxed the value vs this villain by c-calling the turn so why would you do anything different here?

Incase we miss value when a club hits and villain doesnt have one?

Or if she doesnt have an ace at all and is drawing with something like  or  Q. let's get it in before she misses.

But you could say the exact same thing about the spade draw in kier's hand. Also note the spade coming in that hand didn't slow her down...and anyway I can't see how she bets pot on the turn with a single club draw.