Hero fold

[Dry em]

Thought I would post this one up, mainly because I enjoy abuse from Flushy

£300 side event in Walsall, blinds 100 200. My stack is 6200.

Sam Trickett playing about 15k opens in the HJ to 600, James Akenhead calls in the CO (playing about 10k) and I call on the button with K9ss. Flop comes , Sam bets 1k, James calls, I call. Turn , all check, river is completing my flush. Sam bets 3,100, James folds. I've got 4,600. Sam is obviously a very good player, and someone I have a fun history with, including stacking off with A9 in the grand final last year AIPF

I folded, and Sam showed a pair of , having turned his hand into a bluff and said "I was probably winning anyway, right?"

Just wondered if anyone would share my thought process in this hand, which I'll post up later

[Graham C]

You folded a king high flush?  Not sure why you called preflop and the flop bet if you are folding when you actually make what you hope to get.

[LeKnave]

i think calling pre is pretty bad here.  i dont think it will show a profit even vs bad oppos let alone 2 v solid regs.
if id flatted pre, id prefer you to raise + get it in on that flop rather than peeling.
and i cant even fold 1 pair when i get to a river card, so id have a good run trying to fold a flush.

[Dry em]

i think calling pre is pretty bad here.  i dont think it will show a profit even vs bad oppos let alone 2 v solid regs.

I agree with this part for sure, and fold pre would be my usual as am not deep enough to take advantage of my position. Think I was getting a bit caught up in the quality table banter

[TheChipPrince]

Do you fold if the A spades comes?

[MC]

Lol i lose concentration sometimes if there's lots of banter...

The call pre wouldn't be so bad a little deeper, but for 10% of your stack I don't like it.

You have to shove the flop once you've called really, and Flushy is really gonna give you some for that river pass lol. Flat calling might even be bad here!

[Dry em]

Do you fold if the A spades comes?

Would be tougher

[Dry em]

Lol i lose concentration sometimes if there's lots of banter...

The call pre wouldn't be so bad a little deeper, but for 10% of your stack I don't like it.

You have to shove the flop once you've called really, and Flushy is really gonna give you some for that river pass lol. Flat calling might even be bad here!

Again, agree preflop, not doubting that

On the flop raise/get it in is much more standard I agree, but I didn't feel that Sam is c-betting this flop without a decent piece of it, as it's so unlikely me and James are both going to just be folding to him. Given the history I have vs Sam I also felt he was never going to pass to me here, that's why I opted to just call. If the pot was headsup, or if it was a weaker player in between us, I would probably get it in as his range would be wider

[MC]

On the flop raise/get it in is much more standard I agree, but I didn't feel that Sam is c-betting this flop without a decent piece of it, as it's so unlikely me and James are both going to just be folding to him. Given the history I have vs Sam I also felt he was never going to pass to me here, that's why I opted to just call. If the pot was headsup, or if it was a weaker player in between us, I would probably get it in as his range would be wider

I think the fact the shove would leave Sam with a player behind him means he's folding more hands that you're glad to see go, 99-JJ and even QJ. Admitedly AA, KK, KQ (and QQ!) have us in bad shape and they are all plausible hands. But his betting range is much wider than this. James is rarely going to have a deuce here, and the only other monster is QQ.

I think the only hand you are losing to on the river is an ace high flush and possibly Jacks. I think with a boat, they would both bet the turn. If he has the flush, it's just a cooler...

[GreekStein]

Reverse implied odds of calling this hand are too great vs Sam and James here. I don't like squeezing here either as you know Sam may be happy to get it in light with you because of your history. Just fold and pick a better spot imo.

Has Sam been opening a lot or has that been difficult with you and James behind him? I'm assuming he has been pretty active anyway so can't see myself folding to his river bet here as what's he trying to rep bar an Ace high flush that you don't beat?

As played, I much prefer getting it in on the flop though as even if Sam calls you a little light here with pairs/hero calls you're in decent shape and he's prob folding a lot of the time too.

[Dry em]

Has Sam been opening a lot or has that been difficult with you and James behind him?

I've just moved to the table within the last 5 hands. This is the 1st pot Sam has opened in that time, but he has a good stack so am not sure how he's been playing tbh

[T_Mar]

I'm guessing that you thought your hand must look like exactly what is.. and that Sam obviously knowing this wouldn't value bet a worse hand on the river??

Dont you think though that if he puts you on the hand you got or similar  (maybe 89/67ss) etc..and the fact he knows you obv capable of folding a big hand it would make more sense for him to check the nuts and let you value bet yourself...if he actually had it ??

[GreekStein]

I'm guessing that you thought your hand must look like exactly what is.. and that Sam obviously knowing this wouldn't value bet a worse hand on the river??

Dont you think though that if he puts you on the hand you got or similar  (maybe 89/67ss) etc..and the fact he knows you obv capable of folding a big hand it would make more sense for him to check the nuts and let you value bet yourself...if he actually had it ??

I doubt Sam thought Karl's hand was as strong as a flush

[T_Mar]

I'm guessing that you thought your hand must look like exactly what is.. and that Sam obviously knowing this wouldn't value bet a worse hand on the river??

Dont you think though that if he puts you on the hand you got or similar  (maybe 89/67ss) etc..and the fact he knows you obv capable of folding a big hand it would make more sense for him to check the nuts and let you value bet yourself...if he actually had it ??

I doubt Sam thought Karl's hand was as strong as a flush

You dont think it makes up a fair chunk of his over calling range on flop?

You could be right though.. I probs over thinking it

[GreekStein]

I'm guessing that you thought your hand must look like exactly what is.. and that Sam obviously knowing this wouldn't value bet a worse hand on the river??

Dont you think though that if he puts you on the hand you got or similar  (maybe 89/67ss) etc..and the fact he knows you obv capable of folding a big hand it would make more sense for him to check the nuts and let you value bet yourself...if he actually had it ??

I doubt Sam thought Karl's hand was as strong as a flush

You dont think it makes up a fair chunk of his over calling range on flop?

You could be right though.. I probs over thinking it

It does look like the overcall is a flush draw but I'm guessing because of this history that Karl talks about vs Sam thinks Karl's range is probably a fair bit wider than most ppl's there.

I can't imagine Sam putting Karl on a flush and then thinking he could make him pass his hand given their dynamic but then Sam and Karl are both much beter players than I am so what do I know!?

I think Sam was putting Karl on a kinda marginal hand like a small pp and thought he could make him fold it.