Live omahaha hand- big draw!

[gribbo]

Was playing other night, sitting on around £200 playing £0.5/£1 have been playing a round of NL holdem and round of PLO game is 7 handed. I have been playin fairly tight/nutpeddling during the PLO rounds as i am a bit of a fish!

The SB in this hand has sat down recentley and flopped a set in the holdem round and has me covered stack wise, UTG player has around £110 and has been raising a ton of hands in both games and is over aggro in a lot of spots.

I am in BB with  the UTG player raises to £3 this is called by SB i raise to £15 pre. Is this good bad with stack sizes/position? both call flop is just ovr £45.

Flop comes     

SB leads for pot bet £45, is our hand too strong to raise here, what would you guys do in a spot like this with these stack sizes, esp with the nutter in position?

[KarmaDope]

I just flat and wait for nutter to shove OTT, then look to play for stacks afterwards. (Assuming the SB has led for pot - god knows what a "pull bet" is)

[daviebhoy]

No reason to chase UTG out of the pot so I think a call here is > raising.

[EvilPie]

With your stacks as they are I get the lot in now.

I understand not wanting to chase someone away but if he's putting £45 in chances are he'll put his £95 in anyway.

At the moment you're a favourite over pretty much anything even a set. If the turn blanks or pairs you won't have a clue where you are, could be drawing dead and won't be a favourite over anything any more. You don't sound over confident of your omaha play so you really don't want to be facing decisions on an awkward turn.

If you're all deeper you can maybe get tricky and put in a bit of a small raise but with these stacks there's no point.

Haven't got a problem with the raise pre. With this hand I'm happy calling a pot raise (£80 ish) by the nutter anyway and by then position doesn't matter too much as it's all about the strength of our hand.

[EvilPie]

Just ran this hand through a calc.

I think we can assume that nobody has aces or they would've reraised pre. Set of tens is doubtful as you have a ten yourself.

I think the worst we can be up against here is a set of 7's + a draw and maybe top 2 with a flush draw. I've given both players some of our outs to make our hand as bad as possible.


Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing

cards                               win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
      340  51.05   318  47.75    8  1.20  0.517
      215  32.28   451  67.72    0  0.00  0.323
      103  15.47   555  83.33    8  1.20  0.161

So you can see that our hand is a favourite over almost anything. Our edge become greater if one of them passes as well.

Now if we throw in a blank turn card:-

Omaha Hi: 36 enumerated boards containing
cards                              win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
       12  33.33    24  66.67    0  0.00  0.333
       21  58.33    15  41.67    0  0.00  0.583
        3   8.33    33  91.67    0  0.00  0.083

All of a sudden our hand is an underdog. If the board had paired we would be drawing dead.

Don't make your life difficult with this hand. There's 50% of your starting stack in the pot already so you're doing nicely if you take it down here. Shove it in now and if everyone passes just be happy with the £90 and carry on with the next hand.

[Jamier-Host]

Lump it in - you got the hand you were waiting for.

[NoflopsHomer]

FWIW, I'd probably not reraise pre so big oop

[pokerfan]

All of a sudden our hand is an underdog. If the board had paired we would be drawing dead.

I can see a miracle!

[ACE2M]

FWIW, I'd probably not reraise pre so big oop

i'm with this and i am definitely jamming now.

jamming is more profitable and prevents ugly turn decisions. a nut peddler jamming an ace high flop after raising pre oop may well get sets to fold, result.

[NoflopsHomer]

FWIW, I'd probably not reraise pre so big oop

i'm with this and i am definitely jamming now.

jamming is more profitable and prevents ugly turn decisions. a nut peddler jamming an ace high flop after raising pre oop may well get sets to fold, result.

If the SB isn't good enough to fold two pair/set here, I don't mind just calling to see no ace or seven on the turn. We're not folding if the turn is a blank.

[GlasgowBandit]

Anyone consider flatting pre to disguise strength of our hand?  I probably wouldn't, I'd try and get ultra sneaky with this type of hand especially being OOP.  If I were to be raising I am probably making it between £8 - £12. I don't mind playing this hand multiway.  On that flop I agree on jamming. 

[EvilPie]

FWIW, I'd probably not reraise pre so big oop

i'm with this and i am definitely jamming now.

jamming is more profitable and prevents ugly turn decisions. a nut peddler jamming an ace high flop after raising pre oop may well get sets to fold, result.

If the SB isn't good enough to fold two pair/set here, I don't mind just calling to see no ace or seven on the turn. We're not folding if the turn is a blank.

But what if we hit?

Nobody's folding a set on the flop but a 3rd diamond could get rid of him if we hit the turn.

Obviously we're not passing to a blank turn because we've got the right price to call a shove but if we hit we probably don't get paid and if the board pairs we have to pass.

I can't see any advantage to the call.

[NoflopsHomer]

FWIW, I'd probably not reraise pre so big oop

i'm with this and i am definitely jamming now.

jamming is more profitable and prevents ugly turn decisions. a nut peddler jamming an ace high flop after raising pre oop may well get sets to fold, result.

If the SB isn't good enough to fold two pair/set here, I don't mind just calling to see no ace or seven on the turn. We're not folding if the turn is a blank.

But what if we hit?

Nobody's folding a set on the flop but a 3rd diamond could get rid of him if we hit the turn.

Obviously we're not passing to a blank turn because we've got the right price to call a shove but if we hit we probably don't get paid and if the board pairs we have to pass.

I can't see any advantage to the call.

We don't go broke on the turn if the board pairs. Also, it's a great move when you have the wrap and not the flush draw. You rep the flush when it hits and they pay you off when the straight comes.

[77dave]

i fold

clearly behind with 1 pair here

[GreekStein]

I play it like Evilpie said and think raise>flat though I def agree with flops that you should only be reraising pre here with position esp as you say you aren't too experienced with omaha.

I don't like flatting and seeing a blank or our nut flush/straight and not getting paid. I think the benefits of shoving outweigh the times when the board pairs and we can pass having only put £45 in.