Live omahaha hand- big draw!

[EvilPie]

FWIW, I'd probably not reraise pre so big oop

i'm with this and i am definitely jamming now.

jamming is more profitable and prevents ugly turn decisions. a nut peddler jamming an ace high flop after raising pre oop may well get sets to fold, result.

If the SB isn't good enough to fold two pair/set here, I don't mind just calling to see no ace or seven on the turn. We're not folding if the turn is a blank.

But what if we hit?

Nobody's folding a set on the flop but a 3rd diamond could get rid of him if we hit the turn.

Obviously we're not passing to a blank turn because we've got the right price to call a shove but if we hit we probably don't get paid and if the board pairs we have to pass.

I can't see any advantage to the call.

We don't go broke on the turn if the board pairs. Also, it's a great move when you have the wrap and not the flush draw. You rep the flush when it hits and they pay you off when the straight comes.

I know we don't want to see the board pair but surely that's a good reason to shove now and possibly take it down?

I'm happy to see my stack increase from 200 to 275 with no opposition but at the same time I'm happy to be called with this monster hand.

If we flat and the board pairs we're presumably giving up our 1 outer? If it comes a blank we either shove and get called by the set or the set shoves and we call. Either way even though we're happy with getting our money in we are now behind and will usually lose.

The alternative is to check hoping to hit and then probably don't get paid by the set anyway.

The only upside I can see to flatting is that the SB possibly shoves or if not he adds 45 to the pot.

How about the possibility of raising to 110 to set the nutter in? If he's got a set he's definitely calling, if he's got nothing he's out no matter what. The other guy who has us covered will shove if he has a set so we get the money in anyway.

[ACE2M]

you should be raising this pre with position and without, floppy advocates raising less to make calling a limp raise less expensive but still swells the pot enough for check raising the flop or leading out (sometimes) if you blank it, you lose less when you are forced to give up. Stop betting the pot automatically.

I see no advantage to flatting, your hand is fairly transparent if you do. You will likely have to hit to win, you will have to call without odds if the turn is a blank assuming he will follow up the flop. You give your self no chance to make more money long term by getting the smallers sets to release. You give him a chance to get away from a similar but less powerful draw or bet you out with a similar draw if the turn pairs now that he knows your hand. these are some of the reasons to jam, and i honestly see no benefit to flatting other than gettig the other guy in also to improve your odds but then you also lay odds for them to reach the river and bend you over because you didn't get them out.

[Sweetman]

Agree fully with evilpie here.

Equity wise, were ahead here so much of the time.  Lets face it, guys doesnt have AAXX, or he almost certainly would have 4bet pre.  Only really behind to ATwith hearts or broadway blockers or set plus draw type hands.

Flat calling here is dreadful, since a blank/pair on the turn kills our equity and a nut card kills our action.

With such a massive draw and so many "nut" outs, if you get the impression the third player may squeeze if you flat the original raise, then try to induce him into doing this as your EV is even higher with more people in the pot with this type of hand.

[gribbo]

Thanks for replys some good posts and points which i will think about when im fishing in this game next. Tbh I knew my hand was massive against the 1st raiser but unsure against BB, when the flop came down i was always gona be getting my money in. The thing about omaha that gets me as a NL player is just how the equitys of all the hands run so close preflop so a good player could open a ton of hands in omaha and play well enough to profit post flop but the same couldnt be said for a nutter in a holdem game as he would be getting re-popped a lot with dominating hands overpairs etc. Also how the hands u put ur opponents on is a lot more defined in holdem with the preflop actions. It is a quality game though need to improve!

Anyway Me and the BB got the money he TT89 with one suit and i obviously rivered a straight to scoop the pot... no more poor student shopping for me in farmfoods this week!

[keilan303]

Where are you playing omaha at 0.50/1? The G?

[gribbo]

Where are you playing omaha at 0.50/1? The G?

nah was playing at a mates flat, we get a decent home game running now and again whenever we can get the numbers and people are available! I think the G runs £1/2 PLO but i have never seen it running tbh. Its always te £0.5/£1 NL game which i've played quite a few times and u get plenty of action in.