This shouldnt be allowed FACT!!

[tikay]

The Protesters had what they saw was good reason to protest - it was their Countries which had been invaded, & they have reason to feel aggrieved.

Somebody put the mods on high alert 

Sandy

I must have a blind spot, because I fail to see why that comment would cause angst.

If your Country  - or Mother Country, if we wish to be pedantic - was invaded, you'd have reason to feel aggrieved.

That's not to say I agree, or disagree, like, or disliike, or they are right, or wrong, it's just a statement of fact.

I thought it was obvious that you'd draw comment and indeed that has happened.

Can you imagine if Arnie Schwarzenegger referred to Austria as his country at a political rally ?

Sandy

Sorry Sandy, I really do have a blind spot here, & I can't see the Arnie analogy, either.

[tikay]

...

I would presume they would have family living in such countries that our soldiers are fighting a war against for oil where there have been uncountable innocent victims.IMHO of course

PS Obviously not saying that it's the soldiers fault,they just go were they're told

There's not much oil in Afghanistan

not many saloons in the uk but you still wear a cowboy hat ;-)

Excelent!

Great thread.

[sledge13]

Again here is some more freedom of speech this time by the Australian prime minister:

'Immigrants not Australians must learn to adapt take it or leave it. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'.

'We speak mainly English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is our country, our land, and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then leave. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Good speech imo!

[henrik777]

The Protesters had what they saw was good reason to protest - it was their Countries which had been invaded, & they have reason to feel aggrieved.

Somebody put the mods on high alert 

Sandy

I must have a blind spot, because I fail to see why that comment would cause angst.

If your Country  - or Mother Country, if we wish to be pedantic - was invaded, you'd have reason to feel aggrieved.

That's not to say I agree, or disagree, like, or disliike, or they are right, or wrong, it's just a statement of fact.

I thought it was obvious that you'd draw comment and indeed that has happened.

Can you imagine if Arnie Schwarzenegger referred to Austria as his country at a political rally ?

Sandy

Sorry Sandy, I really do have a blind spot here, & I can't see the Arnie analogy, either.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a US politician and his nationality American. He spent his 1st 21 years in Austria (where he was born). US politicians are sworn in to office and to gain citizenship you sign up to certain criteria. One if these is :- 9.  Are attached to, and can support, the principles of the U.S. Constitution and can swear allegiance to the United States.

If he said i'm Austrian he'd probably have to give up being a politician and may have problems staying in the country.


I'll just have to let you remain in doubt over the 1st point as i don't want to indulge in the debate of rights and wrongs as it's not going to change anyones opinion as per virtually all forum "debates" i've seen on the internet don't.

Sandy

[thetank]

Again here is some more freedom of speech this time by the Australian prime minister:

'Immigrants not Australians must learn to adapt take it or leave it. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'.

'We speak mainly English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is our country, our land, and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then leave. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Good speech imo!

[  ] This is a speech made by the Australian Prime Minister

[ x ] This is a rant by some right wing American guy that has been poorly revised (ask yourself wtf is an Australian going on about flags and pledges for?) and wrongly attributed to Kevin Rudd all over the internet where people are a little too quick to believe everything they read.

[I KNOW IT]

It was pretty sickening to hear all the ""these bloody people come here, la de da" sort of comments at the Table, while the Lithuanian Dealer just sat there, Dealing, but taking it all in. Ugh.

Do you find this as equally offensive Tony?



I certainly do.

[mondatoo]

...

I would presume they would have family living in such countries that our soldiers are fighting a war against for oil where there have been uncountable innocent victims.IMHO of course

PS Obviously not saying that it's the soldiers fault,they just go were they're told

There's not much oil in Afghanistan

not many saloons in the uk but you still wear a cowboy hat ;-)

Quality 

[sledge13]

Again here is some more freedom of speech this time by the Australian prime minister:

'Immigrants not Australians must learn to adapt take it or leave it. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'.

'We speak mainly English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is our country, our land, and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then leave. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Good speech imo!

[  ] This is a speech made by the Australian Prime Minister

[ x ]

http://nz.messages.yahoo.com/nz-news/nz-top-stories/56124/

http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/3/40587_space.html

[Acidmouse]

i was in luton at the time of the protest and can assure you the "shit" coming out of the protesters mouths were far worse than anything tikay may have heard at the table last night.

but thats ok they were protesting

reverse racism at its best

Ofcourse its fine to condemn people who are protesting against something you feel pas ionate about. Discussing those small minority of people who did protest and condemning for their actions is natural and IMO justified.

What's not fine is making sweeping statements regarding immigrants, its irrelevant.

The way to make those protesters look incredibly stupid is to look at the situation for what it was, a handful of people who were directing their protests in a misguided way (is it really a shock that some Muslims in this country don't agree with the recent invasions?!).

BNP most probably shipped them down there to create a mass hysterical across the country and derail any adult debate about immigration there might have been.

[henrik777]

Again here is some more freedom of speech this time by the Australian prime minister:

'Immigrants not Australians must learn to adapt take it or leave it. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'.

'We speak mainly English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is our country, our land, and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then leave. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Good speech imo!

[  ] This is a speech made by the Australian Prime Minister

[ x ] This is a rant by some right wing American guy that has been poorly revised (ask yourself wtf is an Australian going on about flags and pledges for?) and wrongly attributed to Kevin Rudd all over the internet where people are a little too quick to believe everything they read.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml

Australian.

Sandy

[thetank]

Again here is some more freedom of speech this time by the Australian prime minister:

'Immigrants not Australians must learn to adapt take it or leave it. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'.

'We speak mainly English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is our country, our land, and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then leave. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Good speech imo!

[  ] This is a speech made by the Australian Prime Minister

[ x ]

http://nz.messages.yahoo.com/nz-news/nz-top-stories/56124/

http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/3/40587_space.html

[  ] credible sources, they are just people who fell for it too.

I've added something to my earlier post...


[ x ] This is a rant by some right wing American guy that has been poorly revised (ask yourself wtf is an Australian going on about flags and pledges for?) and wrongly attributed to Kevin Rudd all over the internet where people are a little too quick to believe everything they read.

[Acidmouse]

[ ] Surprised Sledge posted.

How's your Polish tenants BTW?

[sledge13]

Hmmm, maybe...ok what about the freedom of speech for the Dutch Mp that was a joke, because a Muslim Lord threatened to get 10,000 people together!

[sledge13]

[ ] Surprised Sledge posted.

How's your Polish tenants BTW?

Polish tennants are great! hes put a new fence up! but I did'nt see any Polish with vile messages in Luton? the Polish/Chinese etc have integrated into society very well, but there always seems to be the "minority" of Muslims bent on causing attacks and trouble.

[Acidmouse]

[ ] Surprised Sledge posted.

How's your Polish tenants BTW?

Polish tennants are great! hes put a new fence up! but I did'nt see any Polish with vile messages in Luton? the Polish/Chinese etc have integrated into society very well, but there always seems to be the "minority" of Muslims bent on causing attacks and trouble.

Yep sadly I agree.