This shouldnt be allowed FACT!!

[nirvana]

Is this not something of a storm in a teacup ?

The newspapers would make it appear that there was some kinda mass demo but in truth it was a tiny number of people who were protesting - it is possible that they had family members in Afghanistan or Iraq that had been killed - maybe not but it's possible.

I honestly don't really know what we are doing in Afghanistan ..or Iraq. I do know a by-product of our presence is many innocent deaths - if some people feel they want to protest that, I think that's entirely fair and reasonably moral too - there isn't only one side to this imo.

[I KNOW IT]

Is this not something of a storm in a teacup ?

The newspapers would make it appear that there was some kinda mass demo but in truth it was a tiny number of people who were protesting - it is possible that they had family members in Afghanistan or Iraq that had been killed - maybe not but it's possible.

I honestly don't really know what we are doing in Afghanistan ..or Iraq. I do know a by-product of our presence is many innocent deaths - if some people feel they want to protest that, I think that's entirely fair and reasonably moral too - there isn't only one side to this imo.

Writing "Anglian Soldiers go to Hell" on placards isnt entirely fair and reasonably moral imo

[nirvana]

True - but our army has it's share of psychopaths who revel in arcade game like butchery - not entirely moral or heroic either

[GlasgowBandit]

There seems an agenda in the news media in this country to stir up racial tensions wherever possible.

MI5/MI6 at their very best.

[kinboshi]

There seems an agenda in the news media in this country to stir up racial tensions wherever possible.

MI5/MI6 at their very best.

[ ] I think you're wrong
[ ] I also think that the media doesn't have its own agenda

[GlasgowBandit]

There seems an agenda in the news media in this country to stir up racial tensions wherever possible.

MI5/MI6 at their very best.

[ ] I think you're wrong
[ ] I also think that the media doesn't have its own agenda

[  ] The media aren't manipulated by spooks and securiocrats.

[kinboshi]

There seems an agenda in the news media in this country to stir up racial tensions wherever possible.

MI5/MI6 at their very best.

[ ] I think you're wrong
[ ] I also think that the media doesn't have its own agenda

[  ] The media aren't manipulated by spooks and securiocrats.

'Tis true, but they also have their own agenda on top of that.

[Newmanseye]

ohh ffs, lets hand out tinfoil hats

[Longy]

Wp Byron another level succesfully pulled off.

Edit: Lol delteaments to make my post non-sensical.

[Royal Flush]

Forgot about this thread, good read.

Anyone who has served is obviously going to find it hard to be subjective in this debate, in the same way that anyone who has had a family member or friend killed by the army is going to find it hard.

British people should be allowed to protest against British troops if they think that the British Army has committed what amount to war crimes (and i don't think anyone deny's that things have gone on that shouldn't have) i personally would rather see the eradication of this sort of element from the Army rather than have a go at those who bring it to national attention.

I am far too lazy an apathetic to go to a protest/parade but with regards to the invasion forces in Iraq i would more likely protest at the army than stand by and wave flags as it walks by.

[taximan007]

Is this not something of a storm in a teacup ?

The newspapers would make it appear that there was some kinda mass demo but in truth it was a tiny number of people who were protesting - it is possible that they had family members in Afghanistan or Iraq that had been killed - maybe not but it's possible.

I honestly don't really know what we are doing in Afghanistan ..or Iraq. I do know a by-product of our presence is many innocent deaths - if some people feel they want to protest that, I think that's entirely fair and reasonably moral too - there isn't only one side to this imo.

Writing "Anglian Soldiers go to Hell" on placards isnt entirely fair and reasonably moral imo

Maybe just maybe these protestors got their date and place wrong and were in FACT wishing to protest against the Double Glazing Company that fitted their windows

 

[cia260895]

Tony,

I have been watching this thread as you'd expect, and had a mind not to entertain it with comment. There are many valid points from all who have posted and I have no gripes with any other than your "provocation" comment.

You sir, have insulted the troops more than any with this despicable comment.

A wee bit of background for you.

All Infantry Regiments are linked to their recruiting areas, the areas that have provided men & boys to serve within these Regiments for hundredes of years. 2 Royal Anglian (The Poachers) are recruited largely from this area and as such have been awarded the freedom of various Boroughs/Cities/Towns, one of which is Luton.

Part of this honour of the freedom of the burghs (which would have been bestowed on the Regiment many years ago) is that the Regiment can march freely through the town.

All Regiments do this from time to time and excercise their right to march through these burghs/cities who have graciously bestowed this honour on them.

They do this in order to thank the local people/family/friends for their support when on operations. Much of this support comes from others who, like many of us, are against certain operations.

So to say that their march through their home town which was a thank you to all who have supported them is "provocative" I truly find beyond belief.

"Lets not thank the majority because the minority may be offended" what utter tosh.

Geo

I think that's fair comment Geo, but the comment was not "insulting", because, by definition, insults have to be intended, & they are not insults unless they are. You can interpret my words however you wish, but it won't change the meaning.
And you well know it was not my intention to insult our Troops.

The OP stated a "FACT" that protests should not be allowed. That is not a fact at all. Protests ARE allowed.

We might not like them - I certainly did not like this one - but we can't change facts just because we disapprove of them.

Tony i have never said that protests should not be allowed.I said that this protest shouldn't be allowed with a view to supporting our troops instead of having them put up with the vile tirade of abuse as they did,

As i said a time and place but we do live in a democracy and i DO accept that the protest went ahead with the support of the police and that there wasnt anything illegal with the protest

 maybe I am wrong in my view and that wouldnt be a 1st but it is my view and you have yours and we are all entilted to them.
Agreed i used the word FACT in the OP but this was just for impact more than anything else.

[tikay]

Tony,

I have been watching this thread as you'd expect, and had a mind not to entertain it with comment. There are many valid points from all who have posted and I have no gripes with any other than your "provocation" comment.

You sir, have insulted the troops more than any with this despicable comment.

A wee bit of background for you.

All Infantry Regiments are linked to their recruiting areas, the areas that have provided men & boys to serve within these Regiments for hundredes of years. 2 Royal Anglian (The Poachers) are recruited largely from this area and as such have been awarded the freedom of various Boroughs/Cities/Towns, one of which is Luton.

Part of this honour of the freedom of the burghs (which would have been bestowed on the Regiment many years ago) is that the Regiment can march freely through the town.

All Regiments do this from time to time and excercise their right to march through these burghs/cities who have graciously bestowed this honour on them.

They do this in order to thank the local people/family/friends for their support when on operations. Much of this support comes from others who, like many of us, are against certain operations.

So to say that their march through their home town which was a thank you to all who have supported them is "provocative" I truly find beyond belief.

"Lets not thank the majority because the minority may be offended" what utter tosh.

Geo

I think that's fair comment Geo, but the comment was not "insulting", because, by definition, insults have to be intended, & they are not insults unless they are. You can interpret my words however you wish, but it won't change the meaning.
And you well know it was not my intention to insult our Troops.

The OP stated a "FACT" that protests should not be allowed. That is not a fact at all. Protests ARE allowed.

We might not like them - I certainly did not like this one - but we can't change facts just because we disapprove of them.

Tony i have never said that protests should not be allowed.I said that this protest shouldn't be allowed with a view to supporting our troops instead of having them put up with the vile tirade of abuse as they did,

As i said a time and place but we do live in a democracy and i DO accept that the protest went ahead with the support of the police and that there wasnt anything illegal with the protest

 maybe I am wrong in my view and that wouldnt be a 1st but it is my view and you have yours and we are all entilted to them.
Agreed i used the word FACT in the OP but this was just for impact more than anything else.

Err.......that kinda changes your position then!

You said "they should not be allowed - FACT".

Which was my whole basis for debating.

So you are saying they should be allowed, yes?

[tikay]

I was in Luton last night, & this Protest was on everyone's lips.

Luton, for those who are not familiar, is very much a multi-racial area, with a high concentration of Italians, Asians, & East Europeans.

It was pretty sickening to hear all the ""these bloody people come here, la de da" sort of comments at the Table, while the Lithuanian Dealer just sat there, Dealing, but taking it all in. Ugh.

[thetank]

Tony,

I have been watching this thread as you'd expect, and had a mind not to entertain it with comment. There are many valid points from all who have posted and I have no gripes with any other than your "provocation" comment.

You sir, have insulted the troops more than any with this despicable comment.

A wee bit of background for you.

All Infantry Regiments are linked to their recruiting areas, the areas that have provided men & boys to serve within these Regiments for hundredes of years. 2 Royal Anglian (The Poachers) are recruited largely from this area and as such have been awarded the freedom of various Boroughs/Cities/Towns, one of which is Luton.

Part of this honour of the freedom of the burghs (which would have been bestowed on the Regiment many years ago) is that the Regiment can march freely through the town.

All Regiments do this from time to time and excercise their right to march through these burghs/cities who have graciously bestowed this honour on them.

They do this in order to thank the local people/family/friends for their support when on operations. Much of this support comes from others who, like many of us, are against certain operations.

So to say that their march through their home town which was a thank you to all who have supported them is "provocative" I truly find beyond belief.

"Lets not thank the majority because the minority may be offended" what utter tosh.

Geo

I think that's fair comment Geo, but the comment was not "insulting", because, by definition, insults have to be intended, & they are not insults unless they are. You can interpret my words however you wish, but it won't change the meaning.
And you well know it was not my intention to insult our Troops.

The OP stated a "FACT" that protests should not be allowed. That is not a fact at all. Protests ARE allowed.

We might not like them - I certainly did not like this one - but we can't change facts just because we disapprove of them.

Tony i have never said that protests should not be allowed.I said that this protest shouldn't be allowed with a view to supporting our troops instead of having them put up with the vile tirade of abuse as they did,

As i said a time and place but we do live in a democracy and i DO accept that the protest went ahead with the support of the police and that there wasnt anything illegal with the protest

 maybe I am wrong in my view and that wouldnt be a 1st but it is my view and you have yours and we are all entilted to them.
Agreed i used the word FACT in the OP but this was just for impact more than anything else.

Err.......that kinda changes your position then!

You said "they should not be allowed - FACT".

Which was my whole basis for debating.

So you are saying they should be allowed, yes?

Can't you let a man quietly surrender his principles with a little dignity Tikay?

sheesh, got to dance around in victory huh