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« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2009, 03:18:33 PM »

also can i just say, why does tikay take like 8 pages to reveal the outcome of a hand Smiley Its like hes writing a script and wants to max every 1-liners impact! cmon gramps, dish dish!!!!
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« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2009, 03:18:56 PM »

yeh seeing a safe turn is good advice also... checking turn, hoping UTG will bet / call off with an over pair (with or without diamond)..
I think especially with the stacks so shallow i am rasing big, making UTG commit stack on flop though...
Nice point about image though.. played with mr TK for like an hour at GUKPT Brighton... pretty new to circuit!

So you've yet to see me play a hand, right?

I Finalled in that Event too, but more importantly, outlasted all the Kidz. Happy memories. Wink
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« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2009, 03:19:52 PM »

also can i just say, why does tikay take like 8 pages to reveal the outcome of a hand Smiley Its like hes writing a script and wants to max every 1-liners impact! cmon gramps, dish dish!!!!

I was hoping to get the FlushMeister's take first, but OK, I'll do it shortly.
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« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2009, 03:22:37 PM »

also can i just say, why does tikay take like 8 pages to reveal the outcome of a hand Smiley Its like hes writing a script and wants to max every 1-liners impact! cmon gramps, dish dish!!!!

I was hoping to get the FlushMeister's take first, but OK, I'll do it shortly.

ok wait for bossman. forgot about that.
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« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2009, 03:55:19 PM »

We should make this a regular feature.... call it:

The Tikay Teaser!
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« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2009, 04:36:14 PM »

also can i just say, why does tikay take like 8 pages to reveal the outcome of a hand Smiley Its like hes writing a script and wants to max every 1-liners impact! cmon gramps, dish dish!!!!

I was hoping to get the FlushMeister's permission first, but OK, I'll do it shortly.

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« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2009, 05:56:59 PM »

also can i just say, why does tikay take like 8 pages to reveal the outcome of a hand Smiley Its like hes writing a script and wants to max every 1-liners impact! cmon gramps, dish dish!!!!

Gotta keep top of the post counts somehow!

FWIW - I'm in the "lead out" category here with a view to getting it all in.
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« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2009, 06:12:21 PM »

The Reveal - & then the supplementary........

I think everyone who Posted on the Thread should read their replies again, to see how near the mark you were.

The advice was terrific - to, & for, me - thank you - but most of you misread the situation, exactly as I did.

Marcus, who led out on the flop, after I checked, was holding the absolute cocoanuts - 

I re-raised him now, (probably mangling the amount, but the message was "I'm not Passing OK?), so Marcus went into the tank,  gave it considerable dwellage, & an Oscar-winning performance, before shoving all-in. I had pre-determined I would Call if he did, & I did, leaving myself down to 1,200 or so if I lost. At 50-100, that's a mountain of chips.

I take on board the good advice that as I thought my hand was the nuts, I should have led out on the Flop. Which was exactly what Marcus did, totally wrong-footing me in the process.  (And most of you, judging by the replies). In fact, it played the same either way.

1) I thought Marcus deserved credit for playing the hand well.

2) I met Greekstein just before the Tourney, & he told me how much the PHA had helped his game, & this seemed a good hand to provoke some debate, & it certainly gave me a few good tips. The replies suggested Marcus would have wrong-footed most of you, too. So can we do better? Can we find a Pass?

3) Most of you, in my spot, stack off here. (Judging by the replies).

But........

We don't HAVE to stack-off here - we don't. In fact, if Marcus had me covered, (he did not) I woulda played this hand totally differently. I would have let go quite early. Marcus knows I'm a nit, & when he re-raised me, I shoulda realised the score, knew he knew, so to speak. It was a bad play by me.

I know almost all of you will say/.have said, "no, we have to do our chips here" - but we don't.

Several said "it's a cooler" I disagree. We can win, or cash in, Tourneys, by Passing, just as well as by getting all gung-ho every time there is a confrontation. There are much, much, softer situations available later. Ego is a big -ev factor. "I'm Billy Big Dick, I'm not Passing" costs so many people their Tourney lives. We give up too way too easily, omo.

Online, when we are 8 tabling 2 buck MTT's, no, a clear "it is  what it is, bugger it, I'm all-in". In a one-shot, 184 runner, Live Tourney, with £10k to the winner, a good player - I can think of several - can get off this. And THAT would be a super Pass.

Late on, with, say, 8 to 15 x BB, yes, we are dead, we commit totally. Early doors, with 50 x BB, & a soft field, we can find a better spot.

I'm off out, before the deluge of mirth begins.

Given al the circumstances - espcially Marcus knowing my early-stage image, I pass this, & don't do more than about 1,500 - my Re-Raise to his Flop bet. If he persists, I go away.

PS - Down to 1,200, I gathered myself, (I really enjoy more than anything else an uphill battle, against the odds), stuck in, & was above average within 5 Levels, eventually losing a flip with 30 odd left. Extremely enjoyable, & satisfying.
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« Reply #68 on: March 12, 2009, 06:22:09 PM »

I just have a couple of questions Tikay.

Did it seem the sort of table where you could limp suited connectors and see a cheap flop?

Would you have considered limping with Marcus' hand in his position safe in the knowledge that you probably weren't going to face a raise?

Did you often get unraised pots on this table?

If you didn't was it usually Marcus doing the raising?
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« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2009, 06:27:15 PM »

I wouldn't say he wrong footed many as Axd was a very small part of his range but the fact is his range is much wider than that and it was just a cooler,ul & great thread 
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« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2009, 06:28:31 PM »

hmm... UL first of all.. but i disagree with some of what your saying..

you need to bare in mind, that although this time he had you beat.. he is getting it in there with hands such as   and   ... also sets..... and your not that deep.  Obviously if your deep and / or he has  you covered then the hand takes a new dynamic.
You say about going crazy on the flop with your hand, but what exactly is the conservative option?? check call flop, then check turn with what intention?? to fold if he bets again? seems extremely weak...?? maybe im wrong i dont know.. mehhhh
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« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2009, 06:30:26 PM »

and FWIW i agree, great thread!
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« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2009, 06:31:21 PM »

Tikay you screwed up the reveal!

Why didn't you tell us that you raised then Marcus shoved?

That would give us all a chance to alter our guesses.

Not saying that I would pass this ever but in your situation with your reputation maybe you could.

Although saying that you have been known to use that reptuation to great effect on occasion.  Ahem
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« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2009, 06:59:37 PM »

Mr. Laxie reckons he has either  , or at the very least and yer in trouble.  I reckon he has a decent diamond and an open end str8 draw.  GL with that.   

So I should..........?

Re-pop to 900 and 'ask the question'.

You often say 'ask the question' on the telly.  My understanding of that phrase was that you're leaving yourself a saver to get out of the hand without being too badly damaged.  Loads of things floating through my mind right now, but I've a feeling it'd be lost in translation.  UL anyway.
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« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2009, 07:05:07 PM »

I think even if the table had been hyper active marcus would still try and limp UTG with this hand in this spots. It's the way he plays and it's obviously been very successful for him. He splashes around a lot early and plays all kids of hands- I'm sure had someone have raised pre he still would call.
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