sick spot with QQ in GUKPT brighton 300

[needa]

seeing as people are actually speaking in this thread, i will slipppp it in here...
can i send anyone 200 on stars for 200 on full tilt please... i will obviously send first being new to site etc..
let me know asap please guys. thanks

[Royal Flush]

Obv 4 bet folding pre is the same as setting fire to money so lets not do that.

4 betting to get it in would be pretty bad against some random unknown in a weak field when we are playing live pokeh.

Flatting is pretty much the only way to play this hand, when it comes JJ2 this is good for us in a way as we can check call and still look like all the small pairs and if a high card pings on the turn then it should give us a good indication as to his holding.

The turn comes a J, bit gay but at least oppo's hand will be a lot clearer now, he is prob checking his mid pairs and high card hands and betting his 99/TT/QQ hands and his AA/KK i should hope.

He snap shoves, he doesn't do this with AA/KK surely? Infact snap shoving the turn here is pretty much all the info you need, he is a bad player, therefore stacking here with QQ can never be a bad idea.

[Royal Flush]

Plz will everyone been careful with account needa, i would advise not sending until a few things have been looked into.

[MC]

He snap shoves, he doesn't do this with AA/KK surely? Infact snap shoving the turn here is pretty much all the info you need, he is a bad player, therefore stacking here with QQ can never be a bad idea.

Agree, I'm snap calling this shove.

[MKKfish]

Plz will everyone been careful with account needa, i would advise not sending until a few things have been looked into.

Teh drama bomb?

[paulhouk03]

He snap shoves, he doesn't do this with AA/KK surely? Infact snap shoving the turn here is pretty much all the info you need, he is a bad player, therefore stacking here with QQ can never be a bad idea.

Agree, I'm snap calling this shove.

+1

[dousche]

so... flushy speaks and everybody follows....

seriously though, i dont think this is as clear-cut a call as you say. im always shocked by how often bad players unnecessarily jam with KK/AA. im not saying that this is a pass, but id definitely look to pick up some kind of tell on the guy - confident/quiet/responds to questions. obv jamming with AA/KK is bad here but not unlikely, iv seen live donks do worse.

[Royal Flush]

so... flushy speaks and everybody follows....

seriously though, i dont think this is as clear-cut a call as you say. im always shocked by how often bad players unnecessarily jam with KK/AA. im not saying that this is a pass, but id definitely look to pick up some kind of tell on the guy - confident/quiet/responds to questions. obv jamming with AA/KK is bad here but not unlikely, iv seen live donks do worse.

Problem is our hand is so underrepped that if we tank dwell he is going to think he is ahead a lot of the time making a tell pretty hard to pickup correctly.

[AlexMartin]

call pre is obv only course of action. hes 40 yeah...hmmmm. So many options. c/c obv standard. Donkbet anyone? c/c, donkbet/call turn v a spewtard. Yeah thats my line

[dousche]

so... flushy speaks and everybody follows....

seriously though, i dont think this is as clear-cut a call as you say. im always shocked by how often bad players unnecessarily jam with KK/AA. im not saying that this is a pass, but id definitely look to pick up some kind of tell on the guy - confident/quiet/responds to questions. obv jamming with AA/KK is bad here but not unlikely, iv seen live donks do worse.

Problem is our hand is so underrepped that if we tank dwell he is going to think he is ahead a lot of the time making a tell pretty hard to pickup correctly.

parhaps, but there's definitely a chance we could get a complete change in character (confident --> quiet/introverted) by talking about his range and making it clear how good a hand he needs to beat us. obv any good player gives nothing away here but against some live donk methinks he gives away his strength pretty often.

[action man]

i doubt we see anything different to AA/KK here. Looks so much like AA. I fold turn

[needa]

ok, well after the turn the board read    , and when i checked he insta said all in... i thought for a very long time..
so many different dynamics to this hand....
can an oldish live player over play TT here or even be going crazy with AK??
most other stack sizes i am 4 bet / calling off preflop, by with this guy having me covered it was hard..
I decided to just fold to his turn shove, because i still had ok chips if i fold... and it does look like AA.
Why does he shove though???  although my hand is quite under repped, surely its face up as 88-qq?? and he should be going for 2 more streets of  value?? but W/E,

[MANTIS01]

OK, well I'd be more than happy to snap the turn shove, so I disagree with op. I especially disagree with the reason...because i still had ok chips if i fold. Folding cos you have enough chips to is my least favourite reason for folding, and it makes winning tournaments much less likely imo. Anyway, I would snap the turn cos this doesn't look like A-A or K-K at all to me.

He MIN RAISES the new aggro kid who raised 1st hand at the table. He could do this for loads of reasons...he's the daddy and he's generation-hating the kid coming in and fecking up the dynamics, or cos he's bad, or he's on a rush, or indeed because he's ghey max-valuing a monster hand. But the point is we don't know.....and holding A-A is just one of many reasons he's doing this.

On the flop he bets 10k into 14k when he's got the effective nuts on a super dry board?? Sorry, where's this min-raise max-value kinda geezer disappeared to? He's suddenly changed the way he's thinking about his monster hand no? When you call the flop bet the guy really hates the fact you could have a J (especially if he does have A-A). So when the 3rd J drops he wouldn't jam now he's pinged the effective nuts again!! I don't get where this looks like a monster at all. It looks a ringer for A-K imo. Ghey min-raise pre with a big hand...bets large to get you off the hand flop...jams the turn when he knows you haven't got a J knowing your hand is vulnerable to pressure now and he's in too deep...and he can do this cos you got enough chips to fold. Very easy call for me...cos I haven't got enough chips to win.

[action man]

How many 40 year old players have you seen make these sort of plays with AK.   Live players tend to over3-bet AK pre, never mind minraise.

[MANTIS01]

How many 40 year old players have you seen make these sort of plays with AK.   Live players tend to over3-bet AK pre, never mind minraise.

I've seen loads of live players do different funky things I can't profess to understand. Unknown 40 year-old guy could be up to all sorts. We don't know him. Who the feck min-raises anyway? The fact that's not a common tendency for ANY player tells us we're not dealing with a player where tendencies necessarily apply. But it's not just that 3-bet....it's how it connects to the jamming post flop strat. How many 40 year old players have you seen completely change the way they're playing the hand for no apparent reason? The fact that these two players are in the top 5 means applying pressure is a relevant factor in the hand. Also, why it matter he's 40?