Intresting spot from stars 100f 4 handed

[Newmanseye]

Point 5, if we are supremely confident why not reraise for stacks?

Being supremely confident that the call is correct is not the same as being supremely confident that our hand is going to win.

my original question was wrong, it should have been how confident are we that we are winning when we call here.

i thought that came through.

[thetank]

He's probably snapping the river. Turn call is the tougher desicion imo.

[MANTIS01]

Do you think it really is a mistake to not v-bet the King tank? I mean a little lost value when you ain't absolutely sure you're good vs taking a big hit to your tourney position if you're wrong seems marginal to me. If his king's good villain wins a nice pot checking behind...but if he bets hero must find a hand to call...which is iffy...and if he faces a c-raise he will be in a world of pain. With the two shorties in play not v-betting only the one binked pair vs the only guy who can ruin your tourney is perfectly ok imo. It's easier to v-bet the king on villain's behalf when we know we're holding 2-2...although i must admit it is entirley possible that you would be correct to do so.

Yes I do.

A good player won't often play trips or a straight the hand the way hero played this hand and so I think we're getting check raised on the river very rarely.
Re. tourney position, as chip leader and relatively deep, we should be using our stack to take advantage of edges and making value bets wherever value bets are profitable.
We're not going to be among the shorties and still going to have a playable stack if we're wrong.

I dunno dude...if hero plays 5-5 the exact same way vs LAG villain...obv with a c-raise on the river instead of a c-call...that looks like a pretty fecking good line to me. Undecided about v-betting the K really.

[thetank]

Check calling two streets and checking river with intention to raise is a pretty tez line with 55 against LAG when both deep here. (imo)

We're not giving him the oppurtunity to give his stack to us him like that.

I prefer to bet flop and let him raise, then flat the raise.
Hope he tries to push you off turn, then crai and hope he shrug calls coz pot is so huage by then.

With the passive line we might be guaranteed at least one c-bet from the LAG, but I prefer to look to stack him.

[thetank]

+ lots of cards can come on turn that will either kill all our action or lose us the pot. (ie 4 to a str8 on board)

Pretty disastrous is villain has a big pocket pair and a seven lands on the turn. (obv even worse if that pair is 88 )

[MANTIS01]

Check calling two streets and checking river with intention to raise is a pretty tez line with 55 against LAG when both deep here. (imo)

We're not giving him the oppurtunity to give his stack to us him like that.

I prefer to bet flop and let him raise, then flat the raise.
Hope he tries to push you off turn, then crai and hope he shrug calls coz pot is so huage by then.

With the passive line we might be guaranteed at least one c-bet from the LAG, but I prefer to look to stack him.

Agreed that is better.

[thetank]

Cool.

If anyone is reading this and lost btw, Mantis and I are back from being the villain, we're now the hero again, but our hole cards have changed to 55 and we've binked a set.

[AlexMartin]

Why not raise his turn bet ?  you know you are calling the river hence a turn raise may be cheaper on the stack and give you the confirmation of where you are in the hand.

When his hand is good with the original line, he gets the extra bet. When his hand is good with the turn raise, he wins nothing extra. Only way he'll get a call on the turn is if he's beat.

He can spend the same number of chips with his line, and when you "find out where you are in the hand" by means of a showdown, the information is usually much more reliable.

Folding and calling are the only real choices you can take on the turn. Raising "to find out where you are" is nearly always a bad play and it certainly would be in this spot.

Never raise for information, raise for chips.

small turn raise does stop him value betting thinly against us on the river. infact i think small turn CR is fantastic for our hand in this spot, protects when we are ahead, virtually never gonna get bluffed and stops him making thin value bets on the river because of implied threat.

[thetank]

He doesn't have to 3-bet with air often to make any equity gained by the turn raise shrivel and die.

[Horneris]

I definetly don't fold on a 4 5 6 flop after flatting pre with deuces here.

Thats a good flop for our hand!

I play it the same way as Flushy i think. We still beat loads of hands on the end.

I reckon the other guy has 

[cia260895]

and the outcome was?

[Royal Flush]

Ah lol yeah well basically i saw his range as 'high cards' and was pretty sure he was going to double barrel a board this good as most people will just give up on the turn given the stack sizes, my plan was to check fold the river if he triple barrelled, the problem was the river was such a great card for him to bluff that now its possible he can triple barrel, if it was a T or something i happily fold.

Anyway i called he had K9o, sigh.

[Ismene]

I like it, ul.