Stuck with tens

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Stuck with tens

« on: March 19, 2009, 01:02:11 AM »

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18 left, money at 7

blinds 600-1200

Hero 15,000

UTG has just moved to the table, I know nothing about him. Never seen him before. Playing 14,000 he min raises to 2,400

Folded to Hero on the button with

Small blind is another unknown playing 9,000

Big blind a solid but aware, thinking player 22,000

I elect to call the min raise and evaluate the flop, unsure what his min raise means, unable to range it and aware that a standard re-raise commits circa half my stack and a push only gets called by hands that are beating me. Albeit if I push I win 4,000 if all fold

At this point please evaluate that thinking. I suspect the reasoning to flat call there is pretty flawed!

Anyway the SB calls and this prices in the BB

9,600 in the pot to a four way flop then

Flop

the big blind fires out 6,000, UTG passes and its back to

Is pushing now just compounding the error of not doing so earlier? What is the range you'd put a solid thinking bb on to be betting out there, out of position, into an UTG raiser and tight arse here on the button?

Given your answer to the above, do you push here post flop?


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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2009, 01:07:02 AM »

slowly raise your hand with 1 finger extended plz.

+ shove preeeeeee.


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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2009, 01:12:51 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2009, 01:20:34 AM »

He'll often lead with pair+straight draw combo. Easy shove with utg out the way. With blockers to the straight we should be in good shape

Worst case scenario is probs 2 pair which we're at least live against. Unless he has the bottom end of the straight I guess.

I shove pre as well. Worse hands might well fold but 4k is a good gain and by flatting you're giving all his worse hands a chance to hit/represent, plus having to deal with assumedly at least 1 blind's random hand.

If you don't shove on this flop considering utg is out I'd prefer you'd folded pre!


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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2009, 01:31:10 AM »

I think you out-thought yourself here Rich.

Just get it all-in pre, & mop up the 4k.

If he's trapped you, too bad. I'd rather Pass pre than smooth the Min-Raise here, but all-in Pre fits the bill best.


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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2009, 01:39:59 AM »

Quote from: tikay on March 19, 2009, 01:31:10 AM

I think you out-thought yourself here Rich.

Just get it all-in pre, & mop up the 4k.

If he's trapped you, too bad. I'd rather Pass pre than smooth the Min-Raise here, but all-in Pre fits the bill best.

deffo, i wouldnt mind flatting if sb and bb were short (they wont call wide/might shove also (obv check bb has a minraise in him)/good (and thus more likely to sqz) but here you have to iso because 1010 is sooooooo vulnerable multiway. you augment by 25% without showdown, 1010 should be like the cream of ur 3b shoving range here.


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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2009, 01:49:34 AM »

I was going to post a similar thread, but as its a similar hand I will just add my 2 cents....I had a horrible situation last night with tens against an early position raiser. I had bullied the guy off one pot earlier which he wasn't pleased with (young aggressive player) only other hands I seen from him were AK and 44 (with a flopped set)....he made a 3.5x raise early doors, I had almost twice his chips so I just called looking to hit a big flop and would probably fold to a scary flop. I hit a great draw on the flop which he bet hard, I called (thinking about my blockers and implied odds) and hit my gin card on the turn. He shoved, I snapped, and he filled up on the river. I think we both played the hand the same way anyone else would, but if I knew I was only up against Jack Nine I would just get it all in pre and pick up a smaller pot. So my thinking with tens now... FOLD or SHOVE PRE! (if you know where you are!!!) I made the mistake of wanting to play a big pot with just a pair of tens, I was outdrawn on the flop and got a bit lucky on the turn but it ended up costing me more than half my stack...just not worth it in the long run...


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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2009, 02:05:43 AM »

Quote from: keilan303 on March 19, 2009, 01:49:34 AM

Love that graphic keilan - where did you find that? Very useful.

PS - Graphic promptly disappeared!


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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2009, 02:17:37 AM »

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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2009, 02:32:21 AM »

I was just reading this thread whilst playing a small $5 game on IPoker, 16 left from 489 starters, blinds 2k/1k with 200 ante, I'm in 13th with just 19K left 10th has 25K, find 1010 in CO so shoved pre, SB has AA, gg me.

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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2009, 02:39:57 AM »

Quote from: mike saban on March 19, 2009, 02:32:21 AM

If you fold 10s there, the best you can hope for is to nit your way to 9th.
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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2009, 02:42:05 AM »

LOL

yeah never folding there, just unlucky that someone had a hand behind.Found it spooky though that I got the hand when I was reading this thread


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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2009, 08:45:45 AM »

Quote from: tikay on March 19, 2009, 02:05:43 AM

Love that graphic keilan - where did you find that? Very useful.

PS - Graphic promptly disappeared!

http://www.pokernews.com/poker-odds-calculator.htm


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Re: Stuck with tens

« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2009, 10:14:27 AM »

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a push only gets called by hands that are beating me

AK, AQ, 99 call for sure and probably a ton of other hands, I am constantly amazed at what people call with, you play live, you're lucky you can ask them when they call with A7 here.... Hey dude you put me on 66???!!!OMGWTFACEONTHERIVERFMLPWN3DAGAIN:((((


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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2009, 10:27:07 AM »

Quote from: Rookie (Rodney) on March 19, 2009, 02:17:37 AM

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