Early Donk and Go hand

[Graham C]

PokerStars Game #26466745841: Tournament #151520955, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/03/28 20:17:28 WET [2009/03/28 16:17:28 ET]
Table '151520955 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: evie57 (1810 in chips)
Seat 2: aljo1 (1420 in chips)
Seat 3: lommo70 (1095 in chips)
Seat 4: monteverder (2050 in chips)
Seat 5: nix1987 (1330 in chips)
Seat 6: Graham0573 (1640 in chips)
Seat 7: TNT_TonyBoy (1520 in chips)
Seat 8: ricmaz (1495 in chips)
Seat 9: gypsysky76 (1140 in chips)
nix1987: posts small blind 15
Graham0573: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [ ]
TNT_TonyBoy: folds
ricmaz: folds
gypsysky76: folds
evie57: calls 30
aljo1: folds
lommo70: raises 90 to 120
monteverder: calls 120
nix1987: folds
Graham0573: folds

How bad was folding here?  My theory was that it's not a made hand, there's a limp, a raise and a call so the changes are some of my outs would be gone, if not most.  Plus, it's really early on and there's no need to commit with no made hand here.

[gatso]

squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze

imo

[feedthegoat]

My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold.

[Longy]

I flat here normally, if we were a bit shallower i would shove. I am prepared to go broke on just about all a or k high flops.

[thetank]

My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold.

What are you doing if someone 4-bets you all-in with this line?



I think shove, call and fold are all quite close here. Although fold is certainly the worst of the 3 options

[Graham C]

I nearly shoved, will do next time.

[thetank]

Call>shove>raise>fold

Although shove might be > call at the $10s tbh, because donks will call with AQ, AJ, Ax more often

[feedthegoat]

My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold.

What are you doing if someone 4-bets you all-in with this line?



I think shove, call and fold are all quite close here. Although fold is certainly the worst of the 3 options

Instacall at this level. Against better players I agree the 360 raise may be too exploitable but in a $10 game I'm happy it's profitable cos of the range of the reshovers.

[Graham C]

you don't give someone that 4 bets much credit at this level?  Even down here, people tend not to 4 bet lightly, calling a shove with not much yes, but not 4 betting, it doesn't happen that often.

[thetank]

My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold.

What are you doing if someone 4-bets you all-in with this line?



I think shove, call and fold are all quite close here. Although fold is certainly the worst of the 3 options

Instacall at this level. Against better players I agree the 360 raise may be too exploitable but in a $10 game I'm happy it's profitable cos of the range of the reshovers.

Raise is a bit small though, you're going to get two callers and miss the flop most of the time I think.

[feedthegoat]

No the 4 bet doesn't happen much but when it does happen AJ AQ are seen quite often in the games I've played.

[thetank]

No the 4 bet doesn't happen much but when it does happen AJ AQ are seen quite often in the games I've played.

Would the players who 4-bet those hands not also cold call the all-in with them?

[feedthegoat]

My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold.

What are you doing if someone 4-bets you all-in with this line?



I think shove, call and fold are all quite close here. Although fold is certainly the worst of the 3 options

Instacall at this level. Against better players I agree the 360 raise may be too exploitable but in a $10 game I'm happy it's profitable cos of the range of the reshovers.

Raise is a bit small though, you're going to get two callers and miss the flop most of the time I think.

If I get 2 callers and miss the flop then it's a tough spot yes and I give up if oppo bets hard. Still have plenty of chips left to play with.

[feedthegoat]

No the 4 bet doesn't happen much but when it does happen AJ AQ are seen quite often in the games I've played.

Would the players who 4-bet those hands not also cold call the all-in with them?

I'm sure some would Yes, I don't hate shoving pre just not what I would normally do.

[paulhouk03]

Call>shove>raise>fold

Although shove might be > call at the $10s tbh, because donks will call with AQ, AJ, Ax more often

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