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[tikay]

Bandit permaban

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0Sifakba4

Lol.

"......have you heard of Harry Lonsdale - otherwise known as 'ack you up with a 'atchet 'arry?"........

[thetank]

Would it be an 'atchet?

[tikay]

Would it be an 'atchet?

VERY good question. It certainly scans better.

So, it's "a hatchet", & "an 'atchet", yes?

I'm sure Bronson would know.

[Rod Paradise]

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If the police routinely deal with incidents where a member of the public is killed with the same level of attention and manpower as when one of their own is killed then your final paragraph has some relevance. If this is not the case (as is understandable) then it's right and proper for us (as members of the public) to look after our own a little too.

Every time anybody is killed by the police there is an investigation.

From the ones I've seen then, if anything, the investigations where the police themselves are killed tend to be less rigorous.

Oh really? Maybe the investigations are more vigorous, but the cops all seem to queue up to cover for eachother & in the end no-one is punished beyond demotion & suspension. Not many  killings of police end with no-one to blame.

[kinboshi]

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If the police routinely deal with incidents where a member of the public is killed with the same level of attention and manpower as when one of their own is killed then your final paragraph has some relevance. If this is not the case (as is understandable) then it's right and proper for us (as members of the public) to look after our own a little too.

Every time anybody is killed by the police there is an investigation.

From the ones I've seen then, if anything, the investigations where the police themselves are killed tend to be less rigorous.

Oh really? Maybe the investigations are more vigorous, but the cops all seem to queue up to cover for eachother & in the end no-one is punished beyond demotion & suspension. Not many  killings of police end with no-one to blame.

Is that because usually because when a police officer is killed there is someone to blame?

[Rod Paradise]

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If the police routinely deal with incidents where a member of the public is killed with the same level of attention and manpower as when one of their own is killed then your final paragraph has some relevance. If this is not the case (as is understandable) then it's right and proper for us (as members of the public) to look after our own a little too.

Every time anybody is killed by the police there is an investigation.

From the ones I've seen then, if anything, the investigations where the police themselves are killed tend to be less rigorous.

Oh really? Maybe the investigations are more vigorous, but the cops all seem to queue up to cover for eachother & in the end no-one is punished beyond demotion & suspension. Not many  killings of police end with no-one to blame.

Is that because usually because when a police officer is killed there is someone to blame?

And when a member of public is killed there's no-one to blame?

If I'd assaulted someone & he'd had a heart attack in the aftermath I'd be facing man-slaughter/culpable homicide charges right now. The onus would be on me to claim self-defense whatever. But, as usual, the police will smear the name of the guy accuse him of being drunk/violent (there are alegedly witnesses to him being hit on the head with a baton previously, could he be concussed?)

The Brasillian shot was running away said the police to the press - then the CCTV shows he wasn't. He seemed to be setting off a bomb, erm the witnesses said he didn't.

If the cops act like criminals covering their own wrongdoings then no wonder no one trusts them. They began the propoganda campaign about the protests well in advance to justify their tactics, unfortunately too many believe them.

[Boba Fett]

Wow, 8 pages about this guy's tragic death, everyone's view set in stone, for or against, with few seeming to be able to grasp the difference between "Murder" & "Manslaughter", & all this on a poker forum. Good stuff, really.

I really hope there is an equally extreme reaction & outcry of protest next time a serving police officer or Serviceman/woman is killed in the line of duty.

If a civilian were to attack and push a police officer to the ground and they died shortly after, would there even be a discussion?  They would be insta locked up and the key thrown away.

I dont have much of an opinion on this specific incident as I havent read any articles on it and only just watched the video however I do feel that the police as a whole act like in a lot of situations they are above the law and will take advantage and abuse their position.

If this incident wasnt caught on camera this officers actions would never be questioned and any public complaints dismissed.

[kinboshi]

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If the police routinely deal with incidents where a member of the public is killed with the same level of attention and manpower as when one of their own is killed then your final paragraph has some relevance. If this is not the case (as is understandable) then it's right and proper for us (as members of the public) to look after our own a little too.

Every time anybody is killed by the police there is an investigation.

From the ones I've seen then, if anything, the investigations where the police themselves are killed tend to be less rigorous.

Oh really? Maybe the investigations are more vigorous, but the cops all seem to queue up to cover for eachother & in the end no-one is punished beyond demotion & suspension. Not many  killings of police end with no-one to blame.

Is that because usually because when a police officer is killed there is someone to blame?

And when a member of public is killed there's no-one to blame?

If I'd assaulted someone & he'd had a heart attack in the aftermath I'd be facing man-slaughter/culpable homicide charges right now. The onus would be on me to claim self-defense whatever. But, as usual, the police will smear the name of the guy accuse him of being drunk/violent (there are alegedly witnesses to him being hit on the head with a baton previously, could he be concussed?)

The Brasillian shot was running away said the police to the press - then the CCTV shows he wasn't. He seemed to be setting off a bomb, erm the witnesses said he didn't.

If the cops act like criminals covering their own wrongdoings then no wonder no one trusts them. They began the propoganda campaign about the protests well in advance to justify their tactics, unfortunately too many believe them.

Didn't say that.  I wasn't talking about a member of the public being killed.  I was referring to when a police officer is killed 'in the line of duty' there's often someone to blame.  It's the nature of the role.  The same way that gravity is probably a key factor in accidents at work involving steeplejacks or window cleaners.

I didn't say if I agreed or disagreed with the other points - I was merely focusing on one specific point.

[henrik777]

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If the police routinely deal with incidents where a member of the public is killed with the same level of attention and manpower as when one of their own is killed then your final paragraph has some relevance. If this is not the case (as is understandable) then it's right and proper for us (as members of the public) to look after our own a little too.

Every time anybody is killed by the police there is an investigation.

From the ones I've seen then, if anything, the investigations where the police themselves are killed tend to be less rigorous.

Oh really? Maybe the investigations are more vigorous, but the cops all seem to queue up to cover for eachother & in the end no-one is punished beyond demotion & suspension. Not many  killings of police end with no-one to blame.

There always seem to be less witnesses when something happens to a police officer than there are when a member of public has something happen to them.

Sandy

[henrik777]

Wow, 8 pages about this guy's tragic death, everyone's view set in stone, for or against, with few seeming to be able to grasp the difference between "Murder" & "Manslaughter", & all this on a poker forum. Good stuff, really.

I really hope there is an equally extreme reaction & outcry of protest next time a serving police officer or Serviceman/woman is killed in the line of duty.

If a civilian were to attack and push a police officer to the ground and they died shortly after, would there even be a discussion?  They would be insta locked up and the key thrown away.

I dont have much of an opinion on this specific incident as I havent read any articles on it and only just watched the video however I do feel that the police as a whole act like in a lot of situations they are above the law and will take advantage and abuse their position.

If this incident wasnt caught on camera this officers actions would never be questioned and any public complaints dismissed.

"Rangers fans" attack on a police officer in Manchester didn't get many insta lock ups as i recall as an example (not of death though)

Sandy

[thetank]

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If the police routinely deal with incidents where a member of the public is killed with the same level of attention and manpower as when one of their own is killed then your final paragraph has some relevance. If this is not the case (as is understandable) then it's right and proper for us (as members of the public) to look after our own a little too.

Every time anybody is killed by the police there is an investigation.

From the ones I've seen then, if anything, the investigations where the police themselves are killed tend to be less rigorous.

Oh really? Maybe the investigations are more vigorous, but the cops all seem to queue up to cover for eachother & in the end no-one is punished beyond demotion & suspension. Not many  killings of police end with no-one to blame.

There always seem to be less witnesses when something happens to a police officer than there are when a member of public has something happen to them.

Sandy

Who kills a copper when people are looking? That's just bad buisness that is.

[CelticGeezeer]

Interesting development


 Family reaction

 Mr Tomlinson's step-son, said "First we were told that there had been no contact with the police, then we were told that he died of a heart attack.

Mr Tomlinson's step son says he hopes the "full truth will come out in the end"

"Now we know that he was violently assaulted by a police officer and died from internal bleeding. As time goes on we hope that the full truth about how Ian died will be made known."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8004222.stm

[Claw75]

Interesting development

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8004222.stm

just heard that on the news - certainly puts a different slant on things.

[Jon MW]

Interesting development

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8004222.stm

just heard that on the news - certainly puts a different slant on things.

But

"The statement concluded that both the opinions remained provisional and subject to further investigations and tests."

i.e. it may have been internal haemorrhaging caused by assault and it may have still been a death by natural causes.

The 2nd coroner - instructed by the prosecution - is of the opinion that it was caused by the assault
the 1st coroner was of the opinion that it was natural causes

Both opinions are still provisional and possible whatever way the news chooses to report it.

[redsimon]

Interesting development

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8004222.stm

just heard that on the news - certainly puts a different slant on things.

But

"The statement concluded that both the opinions remained provisional and subject to further investigations and tests."

i.e. it may have been internal haemorrhaging caused by assault and it may have still been a death by natural causes.

The 2nd coroner - instructed by the prosecution - is of the opinion that it was caused by the assault
the 1st coroner was of the opinion that it was natural causes

Both opinions are still provisional and possible whatever way the news chooses to report it.

The second post mortem was requested by IPCC, and Tomlinson's family. Prosecutions are made by CPS. Need to read the article with an open mind?