Player dependent call?

[kinboshi]

13xBB raise on the .50/1 cash games at DTD = standard

[LeedsRhodesy]

13xBB raise on the .50/1 cash games at

DTD = standard

wow im coming to play some cash games then!!!

[George2Loose]

13xBB raise on the .50/1 cash games at

DTD = standard

wow im coming to play some cash games then!!!

no way 5xing is standard no way anyone opens 13 quid!

[david3103]

13xBB raise on the .50/1 cash games at

DTD = standard

wow im coming to play some cash games then!!!

no way 5xing is standard no way anyone opens 13 quid!

In my, admittedly limited, experience of .50/£1 at DTD a x5 raise pre gets five or more callers

[kinboshi]

13xBB raise on the .50/1 cash games at

DTD = standard

wow im coming to play some cash games then!!!

no way 5xing is standard no way anyone opens 13 quid!

You don't play .50/1 much then? 

Was on a table a few weeks back and 5xBB would get 7 callers, 10xBB would get 4 or 5, and 15xBB would get one or two generally.   Then interestingly a small bet on the flop (could be less than 15xBBs) would then usually be enough to take it down.

Not all the tables are like this, but it's not uncommon. 

[LeedsRhodesy]

13xBB raise on the .50/1 cash games at

DTD = standard

wow im coming to play some cash games then!!!

no way 5xing is standard no way anyone opens 13 quid!

You don't play .50/1 much then? 

Was on a table a few weeks back and

5xBB would get 7 callers, 10xBB would get 4 or 5, and 15xBB would get one or two generally

.   Then interestingly a small bet on the flop (could be less than 15xBBs) would then usually be enough to take it down.

Not all the tables are like this, but it's not uncommon. 

wow so many fish at dtd

[Pyso]

Useful info to know if Aces puts up any more staking requests. Opens 13x. Noted. hmm.

I played with him once in a cash game and he was a little looser than he would be in a tournament so I wouldnt rule out AQ or KQ here either cos he's not passing to your rr once he's made that donk open to 13x and once u bet half his stack his decision is the same with KQ as it is with a set.

Would be interesting if someone pm'd him so he could explain his thoughts on the hand.

One more q - who trains the dealers at DTD? (joke btw before I get refused entry on my next visit!)

Simon did say as he satdown that he was only killing time so perhaps I should have guessed that he might be leaning towards a more trigger happy style. I had already seen one or two reasonably light calls, so perhaps I hadn't adjusted the situation enough to include AQ in the mix. Also, it was the first time I have ever played with him, cash or tournament.

His 13x opener fron UTG doesn't seem that outrageous - purely because on a full table at that level it has to be big or he'll get 8 callers. I'm sure he knows that as well as anyone.

The £0.50/£1 tables can be a curious mix. Sometimes you get the billy-big-bollox raising and multiple callers and sometimes the games can be as tight and slow as anything. It really depends on the players. But more often than not you need to bet big and it's hard to get the bluffs through. I personally and perhaps controversially think the £1/£2 games are easier to beat in a lot of ways although I perhaps haven't played them enough yet to be sure.

My post really was just outlining the difference between the players at that level and how it can be a bit of a minefield.

[DTD-ACES]

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is other than its a nit so we can 3bet good hands) we look down at a good hand and our 3b size is fine as he is never folding to it with a 'lol' 13x open, he looks back at QQ and goes "oooh i can beat AK lets see if i get a safe flop so i can stack off" instead he hits a set and you then proceed to do a full pot bet.....all that happened here was the guy got lucky, i am slightly worried that he doesn't just jam the flop into us as he might do with JJ etc but meh he should never have AA as we clearly are not 3betting to 45BB to pass but then he opens to 13BB so who knows!

Basically this pot has already been arranged pre, you got someone to stick in 1/3 of their stack with a smaller pair, sure 1/8 times they out flop you, the rest of the time they shove the 872 flop thinking you have AK.

Interesting analysis based on flawed information.

I was not UTG , there had already been a raise to £3 ( a player who had ironically won the previous hand with QQ flopping set over set v 22 that had reraised preflop ) which i reraised to £11 and Pyso reraised to £31 , original raiser folded and i flat called . Flop was Q high and the hand was now simple , check raise his £50 bet to £98 all in which as he says i did immediately , i was surprised he didn't call instantly with KK and obviously my comment re AK is to induce the call.

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is

Well at least i now know your crystal clear opinion of my abilities as you assume i would have made such a ridiculous bet without considering the OP has misquoted the hand..

Congratulations on your SCOOP results.

ACES

[GreekStein]

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is other than its a nit so we can 3bet good hands) we look down at a good hand and our 3b size is fine as he is never folding to it with a 'lol' 13x open, he looks back at QQ and goes "oooh i can beat AK lets see if i get a safe flop so i can stack off" instead he hits a set and you then proceed to do a full pot bet.....all that happened here was the guy got lucky, i am slightly worried that he doesn't just jam the flop into us as he might do with JJ etc but meh he should never have AA as we clearly are not 3betting to 45BB to pass but then he opens to 13BB so who knows!

Basically this pot has already been arranged pre, you got someone to stick in 1/3 of their stack with a smaller pair, sure 1/8 times they out flop you, the rest of the time they shove the 872 flop thinking you have AK.

Interesting analysis based on flawed information.

I was not UTG , there had already been a raise to £3 ( a player who had ironically won the previous hand with QQ flopping set over set v 22 that had reraised preflop ) which i reraised to £11 and Pyso reraised to £31 , original raiser folded and i flat called . Flop was Q high and the hand was now simple , check raise his £50 bet to £98 all in which as he says i did immediately , i was surprised he didn't call instantly with KK and obviously my comment re AK is to induce the call.

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is

Well at least i now know your crystal clear opinion of my abilities from your acidic tongue.

Congratulations on your SCOOP results.

ACES

Hi Simon,

whilst Flushy appeared to have been a bit hard on you I think he just meant anyone 13x'ing (as per the initial post) should be labelled bad and therefore played against as such. I would have agreed with him if this was the case, whether the player in question was yourself, Phil Ivey, my mother or Osama Bin Laden.

Being that the information about you in the opening post was incorrect I'm sure Flushy will change his opinion of your play too, just as I have.

I'm off to watch Late Night Poker again in fact

[boldie]

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is other than its a nit so we can 3bet good hands) we look down at a good hand and our 3b size is fine as he is never folding to it with a 'lol' 13x open, he looks back at QQ and goes "oooh i can beat AK lets see if i get a safe flop so i can stack off" instead he hits a set and you then proceed to do a full pot bet.....all that happened here was the guy got lucky, i am slightly worried that he doesn't just jam the flop into us as he might do with JJ etc but meh he should never have AA as we clearly are not 3betting to 45BB to pass but then he opens to 13BB so who knows!

Basically this pot has already been arranged pre, you got someone to stick in 1/3 of their stack with a smaller pair, sure 1/8 times they out flop you, the rest of the time they shove the 872 flop thinking you have AK.

Interesting analysis based on flawed information.

I was not UTG , there had already been a raise to £3 ( a player who had ironically won the previous hand with QQ flopping set over set v 22 that had reraised preflop ) which i reraised to £11 and Pyso reraised to £31 , original raiser folded and i flat called . Flop was Q high and the hand was now simple , check raise his £50 bet to £98 all in which as he says i did immediately , i was surprised he didn't call instantly with KK and obviously my comment re AK is to induce the call.

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is

Well at least i now know your crystal clear opinion of my abilities from your acidic tongue.

Congratulations on your SCOOP results.

ACES

Hi Simon,

whilst Flushy appeared to have been a bit hard on you I think he just meant anyone 13x'ing (as per the initial post) should be labelled bad and therefore played against as such. I would have agreed with him if this was the case, whether the player in question was yourself, Phil Ivey, my mother or Osama Bin Laden.

Being that the information about you in the opening post was incorrect I'm sure Flushy will change his opinion of your play too, just as I have.

I'm off to watch Late Night Poker again in fact

this.


and very much lol @ Pyso for clearly not paying any attention in the hand he was playing. (Or not having a proper recollection of it)

[Pyso]

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is other than its a nit so we can 3bet good hands) we look down at a good hand and our 3b size is fine as he is never folding to it with a 'lol' 13x open, he looks back at QQ and goes "oooh i can beat AK lets see if i get a safe flop so i can stack off" instead he hits a set and you then proceed to do a full pot bet.....all that happened here was the guy got lucky, i am slightly worried that he doesn't just jam the flop into us as he might do with JJ etc but meh he should never have AA as we clearly are not 3betting to 45BB to pass but then he opens to 13BB so who knows!

Basically this pot has already been arranged pre, you got someone to stick in 1/3 of their stack with a smaller pair, sure 1/8 times they out flop you, the rest of the time they shove the 872 flop thinking you have AK.

Interesting analysis based on flawed information.

I was not UTG , there had already been a raise to £3 ( a player who had ironically won the previous hand with QQ flopping set over set v 22 that had reraised preflop ) which i reraised to £11 and Pyso reraised to £31 , original raiser folded and i flat called . Flop was Q high and the hand was now simple , check raise his £50 bet to £98 all in which as he says i did immediately , i was surprised he didn't call instantly with KK and obviously my comment re AK is to induce the call.

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is

Well at least i now know your crystal clear opinion of my abilities as you assume i would have made such a ridiculous bet without considering the OP has misquoted the hand..

Congratulations on your SCOOP results.

ACES

Thanks for posting Simon.

I apologise if I missed the fact that there had been a raise prior to yourself. I did remember you being UTG+1 but I must have missed the original raise. I probably did so as I was looking at my Kings (I usually don't look until it's my turn and this is why).

When I came home I tried to go through the hand and I seemed to remember raising a bigger total than £31, but if your memory of the exact figure is more accurate then fair enough and once again I am sorry to get it wrong.

I was just trying give a general gist of how the hand went and make my point that the call for me was complicated by the fact that it was you in the hand, not your average £0.50/£1 player. It can be difficult sometimes to remember exact totals, short of actually writing them down immediately. For example the flop I quoted is probably not 100% accurate but the key point was the Queen, two of a suit and two undercards not particularly connected.

This has now put me off posting a hand analysis in the future as I do not wish to create the scenario above.

[Pyso]

Oh, and as Boldie says, I clearly wasn't as sharp at 3am as I needed to be. A timely reminder to go home or take a break. And I normally pride myself on being very alert at the table.

I wasn't totally asleep but I did miss the utg raise to £3 at the time. My recollection of the exact amount I re-raised a few hours later was also potentially wrong enough to change the view of the hand. Sigh.

Perhaps I should take a little notebook and write it down so I don't fuck up again...

[MKKfish]

Bad shuffling ITT.

[Pyso]

Bad shuffling ITT.

??

[boldie]

Oh, and as Boldie says, I clearly wasn't as sharp at 3am as I needed to be. A timely reminder to go home or take a break. And I normally pride myself on being very alert at the table.

I wasn't totally asleep but I did miss the utg raise to £3 at the time. My recollection of the exact amount I re-raised a few hours later was also potentially wrong enough to change the view of the hand. Sigh.

We've all been there mate