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outragous76
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 11:59:11 AM »
Quote from: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.
Either that or fold.
We are 1st to act
If we call the turn - there is no way a TAG will do anything other than check behind on the river with AK on that board.
You have to try and make your play look like a bluff on the turn based on your image. The only other play i can think of which often gets tilt called is to raise to $1 less than what he has behind. Again it looks bluffy and can get tilt called
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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Quote from: boldie on April 23, 2009, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: Newmanseye on April 23, 2009, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.
Either that or fold.
Fold??
When do we ever fold here?
when we know the other king will hit ldo.
He raises more pre with KK, surely the 9 is the scare card......
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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Quote from: outragous76 on April 23, 2009, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.
Either that or fold.
We are 1st to act
If we call the turn - there is no way a TAG will do anything other than check behind on the river with AK on that board.
You have to try and make your play look like a bluff on the turn based on your image. The only other play i can think of which often gets tilt called is to raise to $1 less than what he has behind. Again it looks bluffy and can get tilt called
Sorry, misread the OP.
If we're first to act on the river then we have to get busy on the turn if we're going to get anywhere near to stacking him. It depends on the TAG player though - a lot will commit with AK on a board like that - which is where they lose a lot of money.
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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Quote from: Newmanseye on April 23, 2009, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.
Either that or fold.
Fold??
When do we ever fold here?
If we're up against Redbull.
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 12:35:20 PM »
He thinks you're loose as hell??
Min reraise the turn to look like you're trying to bet him off the pot..
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 12:44:18 PM »
Quote from: david3103 on April 23, 2009, 12:07:57 PM
Quote from: boldie on April 23, 2009, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: Newmanseye on April 23, 2009, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.
Either that or fold.
Fold??
When do we ever fold here?
when we know the other king will hit ldo.
He raises more pre with KK
, surely the 9 is the scare card......
What makes you think he raises more pre with KK?
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 01:31:16 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: outragous76 on April 23, 2009, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.
Either that or fold.
We are 1st to act
If we call the turn - there is no way a TAG will do anything other than check behind on the river with AK on that board.
You have to try and make your play look like a bluff on the turn based on your image. The only other play i can think of which often gets tilt called is to raise to $1 less than what he has behind. Again it looks bluffy and can get tilt called
Sorry, misread the OP.
If we're first to act on the river then we have to get busy on the turn if we're going to get anywhere near to staking him. It depends on the TAG player though - a lot will commit with AK on a board like that - which is where they lose a lot of money.
??
We want to get busy on the turn so we can tempt him into our stable?
Or was he a Vampire?
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 02:32:34 PM »
Quote from: StuartHopkin on April 23, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: outragous76 on April 23, 2009, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.
Either that or fold.
We are 1st to act
If we call the turn - there is no way a TAG will do anything other than check behind on the river with AK on that board.
You have to try and make your play look like a bluff on the turn based on your image. The only other play i can think of which often gets tilt called is to raise to $1 less than what he has behind. Again it looks bluffy and can get tilt called
Sorry, misread the OP.
If we're first to act on the river then we have to get busy on the turn if we're going to get anywhere near to staking him. It depends on the TAG player though - a lot will commit with AK on a board like that - which is where they lose a lot of money.
??
We want to get busy on the turn so we can tempt him into our stable?
Or was he a Vampire?
LOL - it was in the toilets, ldo.
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 02:57:10 PM »
I raise turn here as well. Best way of getting value imo
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 02:58:56 PM »
Quote from: George2Loose on April 23, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
I raise turn here as well. Best way of getting value imo
Slightly more than a min is fine. That way he won't pass for the rest on the river anyway.
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 03:09:37 PM »
Quote from: GreekStein on April 23, 2009, 02:58:56 PM
Slightly more than a min is fine. That way he won't pass for the rest on the river anyway.
There are a lot of scare cards than can come and make him fold AK here. I think we want it in on the turn. Only reason to min-raise is in the hope that he shoves over the top of us imo.
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 03:59:16 PM »
Quote from: daviebhoy on April 23, 2009, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: GreekStein on April 23, 2009, 02:58:56 PM
Slightly more than a min is fine. That way he won't pass for the rest on the river anyway.
There are a lot of scare cards than can come and make him fold AK here. I think we want it in on the turn. Only reason to min-raise is in the hope that he shoves over the top of us imo.
I said slightly more as min always looks like nuts.
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 04:32:28 PM »
Very difficult.
I think you've just got to hope that he's got something as well.
If he's on the nut flush draw then a raise to $100 now may get him to shove. This is possible given the fact that he's lead out for $48 and is possibly on the semi bluff.
If we flat then he misses, a weak lead may induce a shove.
If we flat and he hits his flush we're getting paid.
If he's got a house we're getting the lot either way so it doesn't matter.
Personally I think I'd go with flat now and dwell before leading out for about $60 on the river no matter what it is. If he's hit something or has already got something then we're ok otherwise I don't think we were ever getting paid anyway.
At least this way we give him a chance to bluff if he's got nothing.
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 04:52:54 PM »
Quote from: EvilPie on April 23, 2009, 04:32:28 PM
At least this way we give him a chance to bluff if he's got nothing.
If he is a weak TAG is he betting the turn with air after we call the flop ? Is he not more likely to take a free card if he was on a draw ? I like your line against some villains but this one appears to have some kind of hand imo. I also doubt this villain as described is bluff raising the river.
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Re: I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?
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April 23, 2009, 05:06:20 PM »
If you call the turn I would think you have to check the river and hope he value bets AA/AK/KQ (obv he bets KK, 99) which is probably reasonable seeing you would be repping some kind of marginal hand you trying to get to showdown with, but that is dangerous as there is always the chance a scare card will come, or he checks behind anyway if he's weak.. Much better to put in a raise now imo, He's got like 125 left so I dont think he will fold to a shove with a made hand given he see's you as a mentalist - he may think you using the paired 6 as a bluff card also
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