I want to stack him obv, best line on turn?

[AlexMartin]

Villain views me as on likely day release. He is a fairly weaktight tag like 20/14 or so. I dont know what to do.........


***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 512713140 *****
NL $1/$2 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 23, 00:42:18 GMT 2009
Table Oxygen 180 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: Tarkalqsnik ( $543.44 )
Seat 2: The_Fish_ ( $172.50 )
Seat 3: AceKudos ( $208.53 )
Seat 4: JammyJenny ( $492.15 )
Seat 5: akecheta ( $224.13 )
Seat 6: footloose ( $199.25 )
JammyJenny posts small blind [$1]
akecheta posts big blind [$2]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [ , ]
footloose raises to [$7]
Tarkalqsnik calls [$7]
The_Fish_ folds
AceKudos folds
JammyJenny calls [$6]
akecheta calls [$5]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
JammyJenny checks
akecheta checks
footloose bets [$18]
Tarkalqsnik folds
JammyJenny calls [$18]
akecheta folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
JammyJenny checks
footloose bets [$48]
JammyJenny .....

[Moskvich]

Guess it depends a bit on your brand of insanity up to this point. But maybe you want to take the line that makes least sense - so perhaps flat call turn and shove river? Or maybe nearly-but-not-quite put him in on river. Think he has a much harder time folding to a line like this than to a turn c/r, and his river calling range must be wider than his betting range.

[daviebhoy]

I quite like a min-raise here on turn. If he has you down as a maniac he is more likely to think you have a draw/air as opposed to a 6 and he just might shove with AK.

If he doesn't have a K or 99 you aren't going to get him to commit all his stack regardless. Calling and shoving river isn't bad either.

[boldie]

time bank flat..he already has 75 of his 200 stack in..he can smash the rest in on the river.

[daviebhoy]

time bank flat..he already has 75 of his 200 stack in..he can smash the rest in on the river.

Are you suggesting calling the turn and then checking the river to him again ? I don't like that line at all as he is going to check behind way too often.

I actually think in the situation described re-raising turn all-in is even better than a min-raise as it looks more like we have a straight/flush draw as opposed to the nuts. Can weak/tight player call here though ?

[boldie]

time bank flat..he already has 75 of his 200 stack in..he can smash the rest in on the river.

Are you suggesting calling the turn and then checking the river to him again ? I don't like that line at all as he is going to check behind way too often.

I actually think in the situation described re-raising turn all-in is even better than a min-raise as it looks more like we have a straight/flush draw as opposed to the nuts. Can weak/tight player call here though ?

Tricky against a weak/tight oppo as he's always going to take us for this horrible 6.
the type of player you're playing means you can only hope he is very excited about his hand..or he'll fold no matter what you bet into him. He will take you for the straight/flush draw about 0% of the time. The 6 probably kills your action..it's a dead board unless he holds KK.

Check call and check to him on the river hoping he doesn't take you for the 6..betting anything into him will make him believe you have the 6.

[outragous76]

I think the problem here is stack size . if he had 200 - 250 left you could get funky, but he has already put 73 of a 199 stack in. The fact of the matter is you wont get another penny unless he has AA KK AK (<<<<< he has this) or 99.

If you are claiming you have a crazy image - i think the best way to get the stack in is the unusual play (someone above mentioned). I just dont think he folds AK here - so my play would be to reshove all in (all 400 behind) and put him to a descission. He might think you are making a play at the paired board representing trips - especially if you have been showing down low cards. Weak TAGS wait for hands like AK and are usually prepared to go the whole way on a K high board.

As for the other plays. I dont see any difference between the min raise or the flat call/lead all in. None of them have any additional value because you have no fold equity to his remaining 78 chips. ie - with the min raise he wont call it and leave 78 - he will either reshove or fold.

So for me you have

shove turn>>>>>>>flat.. lead>>>>>>>min raise >>>>>> fold  

[Graham C]

Don't think you need to raise the turn, but lead on the river.  There's a chance he'll fold if you raise him here, he prob doesn't like the board pairing so there's no need to scare him off.   Checking on the river is likely to get a check behind so I'd lead for just over half what he has left.

[Newmanseye]

Don't think you need to raise the turn, but lead on the river.  There's a chance he'll fold if you raise him here, he prob doesn't like the board pairing so there's no need to scare him off.   Checking on the river is likely to get a check behind so I'd lead for just over half what he has left.

I think leading the river will give away that we have him crushed, I think an overbet on the turn possibly even on the flop would have worked, the only way i see you stacking him here is with a shove.

Min Raise will set off alarm bells, raise more than a min, say $60 - 70 and you may get a call but a shove can look like you are representing and dont want the call.

Shove it in

[Pyso]

If you use BT Broadband get it in quick before you get disconnected.

[Newmanseye]

Sky FTW

[daviebhoy]

I agree the turn shove is best play. It makes sure you don't miss any value as hands folding turn shove also fold river imo.

[kinboshi]

Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.

Either that or fold.

[Newmanseye]

Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.

Either that or fold.

Fold??
When do we ever fold here?

[boldie]

Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.

Either that or fold.

Fold??
When do we ever fold here?

when we know the other king will hit ldo.