Padraig bets Alex Martin $10,000 he can beat the .25/.50 game!

[Ironside]

I thought the bet was between AM and PP, not JD and PP?

dont forget jdw and ff but ty and fc want out

[Jon MW]

I thought the bet was between AM and PP, not JD and PP?

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and PP?

[Claw75]

Almost all of the people who learnt the game more recently don't play optimally, or even well.
Almost all of the people who think they play optimally, don't.

(I don't pretend to know what 'optimally' is, but at least I am honest enough to admit it).

Too many people put themselves on a pedestal, and take great pleasure in belittling everyone they perceive to be below their imaginary level.
Insecurity is a very destructive quality to have.

+1

+2 seems to be a lot of this about lately

[tikay]

Hi

I'm working with PP on the show and he is happy to have the bet if JD wants to have one, obv doesn't need to be for 10k, 1k perhaps? Loser donates to charity?

Flushy will you be a guest on the show next week?

Also i don't believe PP is the slightest bit offended by what has been posted here, please don't kill the debate! lol

I never suggested PP was offended, I said "I did not like it", meaning the tone.

Kill the debate? No chance!

I'll be commenting on my Diary, so as not to hijack this thread further. (With one exception, to which I shall respond).

[tikay]

Ill mannered vitriol? All there is a post from Flushy saying he doesn't think someone is very good at poker and a few people agreeing. There's been no ill mannered vitriol as far as I can see. FWIW I think Padraig has always come over pretty well on the TV.

Everyone who learnt to play poker before people worked out how to play poker optimally is almost by definition going to play badly/sub optimally, that shouldn't be held against them.

Ill mannered vitriol?

Yes, that's what I said.

All there is a post from Flushy saying he doesn't think someone is very good at poker

Phrased that way, it's fine. But it was not.

Everyone who learnt to play poker before people worked out how to play poker optimally is almost by definition going to play badly/sub optimally, that shouldn't be held against them.

The sheer arrogance of youth is something to admire, & perhaps behold. I suggest that by omtting the word "eveyone", & substituting it with "many", most", some", or "the great majority", might just give your Post some credibility & integrity. Though perhaps you really do believe that everyone who learned pre-internet plays "sub-optimally". But I don't think you could possibly mean, or believe that. I'll accept "90%" if it means we can be all cuddly wuddly?

[Royal Flush]

Well I'm afraid the grumpy old fart is gong to spoil the party now......

1) I really don't think that being so abusive to anyone sits well with me. Everyone is now jumping on the bandwagon, but I dislike this.

2) I don't judge people by their poker ability alone, I judge them as individuals, for whom poker plays a part of their life.

3) If Padraig is "shit at poker", so what? He's survived longer than most have been playing, & if he's so hopeless at poker as is suggested, the fact he's survived so long suggests a modicum of respect is due for his dancing skills.
 
4) I fly no flag for PP, none at all, and my views on drunkenness at the poker table are well known. And Padraig likes a drink. But.....

5) Do any of you know how much money this man has helped raise for The Simon Foundation (a Charity for Homeless in Ireland)? It's hundreds of thousands of €, & Padraig works incredibly hard for this most worthy Charity.

Tell you what. I'll turn a blind eye to the abuse & vitriol, if you guys make a donation to the Charity. Can't say fairer than that, & I know Padraig well enough to say he'll settle for that.

So, how much do you wish to donate?

Really, the art of reasoned debate between grown-ups seems to be a dying one.

So, let's see those donations.

PS - For the record, Padraig & I are well acquainted, rather than "good friends", though we go back a long way, we get on well, & have never had an argument. I just think a little bit less of this ill-mannered vitriol would serve us all well. And I happen to admire Padraig immensely for the Charity work he does, and I fancy he's raised a shed-load more for Charity than anyone else on his Forum.

Grumpy Old Fart, Derbyshire, signing off. 

Have a nice day.

Errrm i think i have been misunderstood, i love Padraig, he is quality! Makes a lot of the TV poker shows watch able and his chemistry with Jesse is what will make this radio venture work! I am also very impressed by his charity work and admire him for all the effort he puts into it.

[Royal Flush]

Hi

I'm working with PP on the show and he is happy to have the bet if JD wants to have one, obv doesn't need to be for 10k, 1k perhaps? Loser donates to charity?

Flushy will you be a guest on the show next week?

Also i don't believe PP is the slightest bit offended by what has been posted here, please don't kill the debate! lol

Sure we can sort out a challenge of some sort of you wan, a charity donation to the loser seems like a good idea to me! I will happily do the show next week as long as its not a Sunday again as i am always playing too many tables to talk really.

[sweet potata!]

Hi

I'm working with PP on the show and he is happy to have the bet if JD wants to have one, obv doesn't need to be for 10k, 1k perhaps? Loser donates to charity?

Flushy will you be a guest on the show next week?

Also i don't believe PP is the slightest bit offended by what has been posted here, please don't kill the debate! lol

Is that the real Pat Spillane?

[AlexMartin]

LOL. The point i was trying to make was that $50nl is not the ridiculous cakewalk padraig seemed think it would be. I think he's a really funny guy and a very handy poker player, but i doubt he has the necessary skills to beat a far different game at a level he is alien to.

Also, his assumpton that testing a poker players ability in a cash game envornment opposed to an mtt one is flawed is wrong. i think most knowledgable players accept that deep-stacked cash games give a much better indication of a players ability than a small mtt sample size and afterall Neil is planning to send people to relatively prestigious donkaments, where for the majority of the competition players will be relatively deep.

[sweet potata!]

LOL. The point i was trying to make was that $50nl is not the ridiculous cakewalk padraig seemed think it would be. I think he's a really funny guy and a very handy poker player, but i doubt he has the necessary skills to beat a far different game at a level he is alien to.

Also, his assumpton that testing a poker players ability in a cash game envornment opposed to an mtt one is flawed is wrong. i think most knowledgable players accept that deep-stacked cash games give a much better indication of a players ability than a small mtt sample size and afterall Neil is planning to send people to relatively prestigious donkaments, where for the majority of the competition players will be relatively deep.

LOL backtrackaments FTW

[Laxie]

Hi

I'm working with PP on the show and he is happy to have the bet if JD wants to have one, obv doesn't need to be for 10k, 1k perhaps? Loser donates to charity?

Flushy will you be a guest on the show next week?

Also i don't believe PP is the slightest bit offended by what has been posted here, please don't kill the debate! lol

Is that the real Pat Spillane?

My guess would be that he's Paul Spillane and not Pat.  But that's just a guess, mind.

[TightEnd]

Paul Spillane of BoylesPoker, sponsors of the programme.

[Laxie]

Paul Spillane of BoylesPoker, sponsors of the programme.

One and the same. 

PS  Welcome to blonde   

[boldie]

lol overreactionaments

[sweet potata!]

Hi

I'm working with PP on the show and he is happy to have the bet if JD wants to have one, obv doesn't need to be for 10k, 1k perhaps? Loser donates to charity?

Flushy will you be a guest on the show next week?

Also i don't believe PP is the slightest bit offended by what has been posted here, please don't kill the debate! lol

Is that the real Pat Spillane?

My guess would be that he's Paul Spillane and not Pat.  But that's just a guess, mind.

Ya i highly doubted that the legendary Pat Spillane would be posting on Blonde Poker!...No offence to Blonde Poker of course