GG IRAQ

[G1BTW]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8026136.stm

What did we go there for again? Was it all worth it? Did we leave our country/world safer as a result?
Saw the Service Personnel memorial service today, pretty , these were just kids ffs. Giving up their lives for a pointless/stupid exercise?

gg Tony & George, may your God reward you....

[Royal Flush]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8026136.stm

What did we go there for again? Was it all worth it? Did we leave our country/world safer as a result?
Saw the Service Personnel memorial service today, pretty , these were just kids ffs. Giving up their lives for a pointless/stupid exercise?

gg Tony & George, may your God reward you....

I got this far:

Mr Brown, who held talks with Iraqi counterpart Nouri Maliki at Downing Street, said: "Today Iraq is a success story. We owe much of that to the efforts of British troops. Our mission has not always been an easy one, many have said that we would fail.

"Britain can be proud of our legacy that we leave there."

Clearly you didn't

[G1BTW]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8026136.stm

What did we go there for again? Was it all worth it? Did we leave our country/world safer as a result?
Saw the Service Personnel memorial service today, pretty , these were just kids ffs. Giving up their lives for a pointless/stupid exercise?

gg Tony & George, may your God reward you....

I got this far:

Mr Brown, who held talks with Iraqi counterpart Nouri Maliki at Downing Street, said: "Today Iraq is a success story. We owe much of that to the efforts of British troops. Our mission has not always been an easy one, many have said that we would fail.

"Britain can be proud of our legacy that we leave there."

Clearly you didn't

Sorry, I do not understand your post. Why does my question show ignorance of Gordon Brown's position? You do know that like his predecessor Brown is likely to be lying when he says things like "Britain can be proud of our legacy that we leave there", don't you?

[Ironside]

we have left the iraqi people with a democracy we should of ;eft them with in 1991 yes we are 18 years late
we have also made the world safer by removing a safe haven for terroists

i am proud of our troops and am glad that the iraqi people have a say in the running of there country

i feel the middle east is alot safer without saddam invading his neighbours

[StuartHopkin]

Yeah, we have to be proud of the troops, and what they have done for the people.

I agree we dont have to be proud of the reasons we got involved, but the side effect of improving a whole countries standard of life is a pretty good outcome.

[kinboshi]

Yeah, we have to be proud of the troops, and what they have done for the people.

I agree we dont have to be proud of the reasons we got involved, but the side effect of improving a whole countries standard of life is a pretty good outcome.

The Hop talks sense. 

Motives and agendas aside, there are some positives to come out of it all.  Let's not choose to ignore them because the politicians lied.

[Ironside]

Yeah, we have to be proud of the troops, and what they have done for the people.

I agree we dont have to be proud of the reasons we got involved, but the side effect of improving a whole countries standard of life is a pretty good outcome.

did i say i was proud of the reason we got involved?

[pokerfan]

Yeah, we have to be proud of the troops, and what they have done for the people.

I agree we dont have to be proud of the reasons we got involved, but the side effect of improving a whole countries standard of life is a pretty good outcome.

did i say i was proud of the reason we got involved?

Did anyone say you were not?

[Ironside]

Yeah, we have to be proud of the troops, and what they have done for the people.

I agree we dont have to be proud of the reasons we got involved, but the side effect of improving a whole countries standard of life is a pretty good outcome.

did i say i was proud of the reason we got involved?

Did anyone say you were not?

just the way stuart's post reads

[kinboshi]

Yeah, we have to be proud of the troops, and what they have done for the people.

I agree we dont have to be proud of the reasons we got involved, but the side effect of improving a whole countries standard of life is a pretty good outcome.

did i say i was proud of the reason we got involved?

Did anyone say you were not?

just the way stuart's post reads

The "I agree" bit at the start of his second sentence sounds as though he was agreeing with you, suggesting that he thinks you feel the same way he does about it.

[Ironside]

sorry bit like my poker then missread

[rex008]

we have left the iraqi people with a democracy we should of left them with in 1991 yes we are 18 years late
we have also made the world safer by removing a safe haven for terrorists

i am proud of our troops and am glad that the iraqi people have a say in the running of their country

i feel the middle east is a lot safer without saddam invading his neighbours

Agree with most of this, but the bold bit, no. Might be the case in Afghanistan, but Saddam Hussein was never a friend to Bin Laden's mob, or anybody else we'd consider a terrorist these days. There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until after the invasion and they saw it as an easy way to take a pop at American Troops on foreign soil. Safe Haven For Terrorists is just another Weapons of Mass Destruction - a nice political excuse.

Iraq/Saddam also provided a nice secular buffer between Iran and Israel, so I'm not sure about the safe Middle East bit either...

[Ironside]

we have left the iraqi people with a democracy we should of left them with in 1991 yes we are 18 years late
we have also made the world safer by removing a safe haven for terrorists

i am proud of our troops and am glad that the iraqi people have a say in the running of their country

i feel the middle east is a lot safer without saddam invading his neighbours

Agree with most of this, but the bold bit, no. Might be the case in Afghanistan, but Saddam Hussein was never a friend to Bin Laden's mob, or anybody else we'd consider a terrorist these days. There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until after the invasion and they saw it as an easy way to take a pop at American Troops on foreign soil. Safe Haven For Terrorists is just another Weapons of Mass Destruction - a nice political excuse.

Iraq/Saddam also provided a nice secular buffer between Iran and Israel, so I'm not sure about the safe Middle East bit either...

after 91 iraw was a bigger threat to israel than iran was, although no organised Al Qaeda cells or training camps in iraq there were other more state sponsired terrioriest in the country IMHO according to report i read in the non george bushing hating/loving media

[rex008]

after 91 iraw was a bigger threat to israel than iran was, although no organised Al Qaeda cells or training camps in iraq there were other more state sponsired terrioriest in the country IMHO according to report i read in the non george bushing hating/loving media

Just wow.


You mean there was actually some media that was neutral on George W?

[Ironside]

after 91 iraw was a bigger threat to israel than iran was, although no organised Al Qaeda cells or training camps in iraq there were other more state sponsired terrioriest in the country IMHO according to report i read in the non george bushing hating/loving media

Just wow.


You mean there was actually some media that was neutral on George W?

not much i grant you

99.9% is either heavily for or against