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« Reply #60 on: June 02, 2009, 03:48:32 PM »

Its the same old story for this country, attack and scam the legitimate, ie; those that will pay not those that should.

The child support agency was used as a big stick to beat more out of fathers who were already paying for their children's up bringing. Whilst those that paid nothing continued to do so.

People who have never missed a payment in their lives end up in court pretty sharpish if they fall on hard times and dare miss a council tax payment, whilst others have never paid at all.

People who have worked all their lives find it very hard to claim for anything should they lose their jobs, whilst those who have never worked live rent free and to a standard many others can only dream about.

And now a legitimate businessman could be forced to close a fledgling business, opened after at an astronomical expense to himself and his partner(s) due to the imposition of a tax which is unrealistically punitive due to the nature of the business.  And all this whilst his unlicensed peers continue to flourish.

I could go on, but it makes me sick.


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« Reply #61 on: June 02, 2009, 03:53:48 PM »

I've just checked and the MP for that area of Nottingham is Alan Simpson, also a Labour MP.

E-mail: simpsona@parliament.uk; website www.alansimpson.co.uk
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« Reply #62 on: June 02, 2009, 03:55:12 PM »

I think we'd be better off getting the facts together and sending a well written letter/email outlining the case rather than anything else.
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« Reply #63 on: June 02, 2009, 03:57:28 PM »

I think we'd be better off getting the facts together and sending a well written letter/email outlining the case rather than anything else.

You send a well written letter with all the facts (Good Cop), I'm just going to harangue the twa t. ( Bad Cop )
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« Reply #64 on: June 02, 2009, 03:57:34 PM »

I think a lot of differently worded letters would have more impact than one (or a lot) worded the same (however well worded it was) 
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« Reply #65 on: June 02, 2009, 04:03:15 PM »

I think a lot of differently worded letters would have more impact than one (or a lot) worded the same (however well worded it was) 

As long as Ironside doesn't write them.
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« Reply #66 on: June 02, 2009, 04:11:06 PM »

Presumably the reg fee to tournaments is the bit that's taxed.

How about offering free registration to the £300 deepstack when you purchase a bottle of mineral water.

There's no law against charging £30 for a bottle of water is there? As far as I know it's not subject to the poker tax either.

Just a thought.

The rake from the cash games would still be an issue, unless a table fee was introduced.  I'm sure Rob's looked at the options.

The £25 a year membership fee, or £5 a visit for non-members sounds fine.  I can't imagine many being upset. 

Lol at this.

You expect all those people who moan about paying for a coffee to pay £25 per year
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« Reply #67 on: June 02, 2009, 04:12:29 PM »

You send a well written letter with all the facts (Good Cop), I'm just going to harangue the twa t. ( Bad Cop )

I have sent my one a day until I get a reply
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« Reply #68 on: June 02, 2009, 04:19:22 PM »

Well for fecks sake -- automated reply - bet I don't get any another type. Oh well I'll have an inbox full of automated mails and so will he.

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Thank you for your email which is acknowledged by this automated response and will receive attention as soon as possible.

Emails are treated in the same manner and with the same level of importance as other communications, such as post, telephone, and fax.  Nevertheless I will try to respond to you as soon as possible.
 
For individual help and support, Members of Parliament can only provide assistance to their own constituents, therefore please ensure you have included your:

•       full name
•       postal address
•       contact telephone number
•       any relevant reference numbers 

With very best wishes,

Alan Simpson
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« Reply #69 on: June 02, 2009, 04:20:55 PM »

I actually did write a letter when DTD were facing such opposition opening.. Didn't hear a peep.. feck the MP's and they expense stealing ways!
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« Reply #70 on: June 02, 2009, 04:23:03 PM »


Emails are treated in the same manner and with the same level of importance as other communications, such as post, telephone, and fax.  Nevertheless I will try to respond to you as soon as possible.


lol, that really isn't worded very well. it reads as an admission that he's not really that bothered about answering post, phone calls or faxes
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« Reply #71 on: June 02, 2009, 04:23:30 PM »

Hi Guys,

I don't want to get into a Q & A / debate about this, but I'll post once to put everyone in the picture. Nick is away for a week and we both agreed that we would get last week's "festival of doom" out of the way and look at things objectively when he get's back, with all the facts and figures on the table.

Things are always up and down in business and noone forces anyone to invest their money, also the government cannot make specific laws for Dusk Till Dawn, we are the only one of our kind and we made the decision to put our money and time into Dusk Till Dawn - so we must take any subsequent conseqences "on the chin".

However, it does look like the Nottingham Evening Post have jumped the gun, there is no chance we will be closing in the next few weeks but it is true that the medium and long term future of Dusk Till Dawn is now in question, and one of these options is "shutting the doors", as it would be far cheaper to do this and just pay off the remainder of our 15 year lease, than keep Dusk Till Dawn open.

When we budgeted this project, we knew that we would have to carry the additional running costs of a casino, such as licencing fees and compliance procedures, but we do seem to have been caught in the middle of other issues between the Government and the Casino industry, people have been debating the recent "poker tax" , but this is actually our 3rd major problem (AKA 3rd kick in the balls) since we started trading 18 months ago;

Problem 1: The VAT hit us with additional costs categorising our "gaming area" ie. 50 poker tables and the associated space that they take, which is effectively the same as having 50 roulette tables, therefore we could not claim VAT back on almost all of our start up/re-fit investment and on any ongoing future running costs, this is why I said in an interview that "last weeks £71k in overlay was loose change" compared to our other increased costs

Problem 2: Our business rates have recently been tripled by the local Council, we are now paying the same rates as a full casino with 50 casino/blackjack tables, I have been told this review of our business rates was caused my another Casino objecting to the difference to what they were actually paying compared to our rates bill

Problem 3:  Obviously, the recent "poker tax" legislation on all MTT/STT registration fees and all cash game rake or table charges has brought things to a head.

DTD has been more successful that we budgeted in terms of revenues, we never expected a 1300 average footfall on a regular week and the monthly/third party events have exceeded all our expectations, this has been partly due to a lot of hard work by the DTD staff, however, I know some of us feel like we are just "flogging a dead horse", due to the additional 3 points above ie. every time we take a step forward - something else goes wrong to take us 2 steps backwards.

Following the successfull Norwegian Championships, we had just "got our noses in front" proftwise for 2009 and were looking on target to at least breakeven in only our second year of trading, which would have been a tremendous achivement for a fledgling business.

We all like challenges, but the fight to even open the place took a lot out of everyone, including me, and getting hit with more bad news  - which is out of our control, is very frustrating.  We all feel a bit disheartened, so we need some time out to do some logical thinking, there will be no knee jerks reactions over the coming weeks and there is no chance that we will consider anything that is not 100% legal, it is time to take stock after a whirlwind few years and whatever happens in the future, I am especially proud of everyone that helped us to open the doors in the first place, that alone, was a huge achievement against the odds.

Thanks for your comments, feel free to use the contents of this post to answer any other questions that anyone may have.

Cheers Rob
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« Reply #72 on: June 02, 2009, 04:36:08 PM »

Cheers for replying Rob, keep ya chin up!
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« Reply #73 on: June 02, 2009, 04:48:59 PM »

been there only a couple of times, but your club is fantastic and i wish you all the best in the difficult times ahead.
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« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2009, 04:50:29 PM »

I go there most weeks and I will be absolutely gutted if it closes.

Can someone prepare a standard letter to our MPs / the government that we can all print off, sign and post.
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