Bad News-DTD to close?

[DBC2007]

not sure if already said but would gambling machines/roulette not solve the problem?

[spacefrog]

Bonjour, this is not good. Spacefrog and amis had made a plan for noel at this place. I hope for you.



Ok, few things. I know how this works, Spacefrog is in Brussels. This is no a viable business because of thiese things. Rob has spend millions, no poker club can do this. My friends, you are looingk at this from the wrong way. Instead of you say abolish this thing for casinos, you now say you make poker club diffeent, they not casino. You say places are illegal, they don't have Rob money. You make special poker licences, all pay tax and be safe. Spacefrogs way you keep DTD and you make many other places for pokers.


You may thank me now.

[StuartHopkin]

Just been to the Alea as I had nothing on this evening. Thought i would see whats going on.

So i get there and reg £45 2 rebuys is the tuesday comp.

Nice place. Nice tables. Dealer dealt etc etc

21 runners, paid top 4. I couldnt even bring myself to rebuy. Scratch that it made no sense to rebuy.

In the last level of rebuys i gambled and lost, so it was now going to cost me £40 probably plus £40 to win £500.

I stood up and walked out.

The famous Ash Abdullah told me I was being stingy! I told him id rather spin my £80 up at roulette.

I cant go back to playing these comps. If DTD closes it will be the end of me playing regular live poker.

I hope Mr Yong manages to get through this, as its an amazing place that a few of us get to use as our local cardroom. You dont remember how shit everywhere else is until you go back. 

[tikay]

shame

i had intended to try my best to go over and play one of these 3 events towards the end of the year.  it was their own fault tho.  the timing and schedule of the first event was pretty stupid

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

The date of Grand Slam Leg One (last week) was announced 9 months ago, in a "blank period" - see Sharpleas's Post.

[Royal Flush]

shame

i had intended to try my best to go over and play one of these 3 events towards the end of the year.  it was their own fault tho.  the timing and schedule of the first event was pretty stupid

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

The date of Grand Slam Leg One (last week) was announced 9 months ago, in a "blank period" - see Sharpleas's Post.

It could have been changed 6months ago though once WSOP was announced surely? It's also no secret when the WSOP is, it did start 28th may in 2008.

[tikay]

shame

i had intended to try my best to go over and play one of these 3 events towards the end of the year.  it was their own fault tho.  the timing and schedule of the first event was pretty stupid

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

The date of Grand Slam Leg One (last week) was announced 9 months ago, in a "blank period" - see Sharpleas's Post.

It could have been changed 6months ago though once WSOP was announced surely? It's also no secret when the WSOP is, it did start 28th may in 2008.

It does not really matter JD.

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

[DBC2007]

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

The date of Grand Slam Leg One (last week) was announced 9 months ago, in a "blank period" - see Sharpleas's Post.

lol ok.  i dont really bother posting much anymore on forums but ill bite here for you.  you say it has nothing to do with last weeks overlay?   dont be ridiculous.  i heard the owners interview on the radio show and anyone who says he has that card room open as a hobby is being stupid.  its a buisness and there to make money

perhaps the 80-90k they lost is not the only reason but it was probably the final nail in the coffin.  and with another 250k and 500k event coming up im sure they are not going to just let them events happen knowing that they will lose money.  i think they should stay open as im sure 90% of people who went to vegas from the uk would have played that 250k event.  so they should get the numbers for them 2 events but i cant see them risking it


also as i said above.  would gambling machines not solve the problem?

[Sack it off]

I suppose the fact its non-profitable doesn't mean he doesnt get his own wages from it

[Woodsey]

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

The date of Grand Slam Leg One (last week) was announced 9 months ago, in a "blank period" - see Sharpleas's Post.

lol ok.  i dont really bother posting much anymore on forums but ill bite here for you.  you say it has nothing to do with last weeks overlay?   dont be ridiculous.  i heard the owners interview on the radio show and anyone who says he has that card room open as a hobby is being stupid.  its a buisness and there to make money

perhaps the 80-90k they lost is not the only reason but it was probably the final nail in the coffin.  and with another 250k and 500k event coming up im sure they are not going to just let them events happen knowing that they will lose money.  i think they should stay open as im sure 90% of people who went to vegas from the uk would have played that 250k event.  so they should get the numbers for them 2 events but i cant see them risking it


also as i said above.  would gambling machines not solve the problem?

Rob has a ton of other businesses that make him a lot of money, he knew up front he was unlikely to make any money out of DTD. DTD is a hobby like his football club, he's a lucky person to have done well enough in life to make these kind of choices. If you don't believe me read his diary on setting up DTD.

[Royal Flush]

shame

i had intended to try my best to go over and play one of these 3 events towards the end of the year.  it was their own fault tho.  the timing and schedule of the first event was pretty stupid

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

The date of Grand Slam Leg One (last week) was announced 9 months ago, in a "blank period" - see Sharpleas's Post.

It could have been changed 6months ago though once WSOP was announced surely? It's also no secret when the WSOP is, it did start 28th may in 2008.

It does not really matter JD.

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

oh yeah i know i got caught up responding to Kev.

[tikay]

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

The date of Grand Slam Leg One (last week) was announced 9 months ago, in a "blank period" - see Sharpleas's Post.

lol ok.  i dont really bother posting much anymore on forums but ill bite here for you.  you say it has nothing to do with last weeks overlay?   dont be ridiculous.  i heard the owners interview on the radio show and anyone who says he has that card room open as a hobby is being stupid.  its a buisness and there to make money

perhaps the 80-90k they lost is not the only reason but it was probably the final nail in the coffin.  and with another 250k and 500k event coming up im sure they are not going to just let them events happen knowing that they will lose money.  i think they should stay open as im sure 90% of people who went to vegas from the uk would have played that 250k event.  so they should get the numbers for them 2 events but i cant see them risking it


also as i said above.  would gambling machines not solve the problem?

Listen to the Radio Interview again. Rob stated that the overlay was "small change behind the sofa".

And, or alternatively, watch Rob Yong's Interview in "In-Poker" starting nightly from Thursday of this week, 8.30pm, Channel 865. He unequivically states that it's the new Casino Tax, the huge Local Rating Uplift that has just been imposed upon DTD,  and the late withdrawal of VAT on the fit-out, that is the problem.

He's an utterly honest man, he said exactly the same thing in the Radio Interview & in the TV Interview.

Gambling Machines/House Games.

He has a few Slots in there, but they are low volume. In the "Rob Yong Diary" (the most viewed thread ever on blonde, I believe), he told the story, day by day, week by week, for over 2 years, of the reasons behind why he opened the Club. Foremost amongst which was a burning desire that poker players should not have to play in environments where House Games can suck them dry.

Now, he might have to modify that view, but in my interview with him, I asked if he would reconsider that stance. He seemed to remain of the same view as before, & added that....

1) For every "wheel" he installs, a bond of £150,000 needs to be deposited with the GC. He baulks at that prospect.

2) He'd need to remove quite a number of poker tables to have room for the House Games. He is not currently inclined so to do.

He's "down" right now, but the situation is not as simple as some may think. Rob is a complex guy, and he'll keep DTD open if his heart remains in it. And if it does not, he'll shut it, or sell it, I imagine. Though those are my views, I'm not quoting him there.

He did say, by the way, that his Football Cub - Eastwood Town - brings him tremendous enjoyment, & very little hassle, at much less cost than DTD.

In a somewhat ironic twist, by the bye, Eastwood Town have just been promoted to the Blue Square Conference. So, next season, Rob's Football Team, Players, & Ground, will be obliged carry Blue Square branding. Funny world, eh?

I do hope you keep Posting Sir, we always welcome a good debate. 

[tikay]

I suppose the fact its non-profitable doesn't mean he doesnt get his own wages from it

Well that information is not in the domain - but I'd be staggered if Rob had ever taken a penny piece in wages, fees, expenses, or dividend, from DTD.  Why would he?

[tikay]

I guess I have to add that I have no financial vested interest in DTD whatsoever.

But as one who cares about Live Poker, & better facilities for poker players, I champion DTD at every opportunity. That IS a vested interest.

I also happen to be long-term friends of Rob, Nick W, Simon T & Simon N, so perhaps my judgement is clouded.

You can decide.

[tikay]

The cloud over DTD has nothing to do with the overlay in last week's comp.

The date of Grand Slam Leg One (last week) was announced 9 months ago, in a "blank period" - see Sharpleas's Post.

lol ok.  i dont really bother posting much anymore on forums but ill bite here for you.  you say it has nothing to do with last weeks overlay?   dont be ridiculous.  i heard the owners interview on the radio show and anyone who says he has that card room open as a hobby is being stupid.  its a buisness and there to make money

perhaps the 80-90k they lost is not the only reason but it was probably the final nail in the coffin.  and with another 250k and 500k event coming up im sure they are not going to just let them events happen knowing that they will lose money.  i think they should stay open as im sure 90% of people who went to vegas from the uk would have played that 250k event.  so they should get the numbers for them 2 events but i cant see them risking it


also as i said above.  would gambling machines not solve the problem?

Have a gander at this mate - you'll need a few spare hours! - but it'll put the DTD situation & Rob Yong's mindset in context for you.

Enjoy!

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3985.0

[relaedgc]

Do the Government actually stand to gain any amount of consequence in comparison to allowing the casinos and licensed venues to continue as it stands right now? All I can see happening is the casinos dropping poker and licensed poker venues going bankrupt.