Bubble move...

[kukushkin88]

Isn't the bubble with a short stack at the table one of the very few situations where we don't mind making worse hands fold? I think shoving is the best here.

[MANTIS01]

Just call. Give him the chance to fire again on the turn.

If he checks the turn just shove and hope he see's it as a desperate move. He might just pay you off with the K or J.

I can't see him having the ace here unless he's been very clever and trappy pre. Given the stacks I'd expect him to shove a decent ace pre and just take the pot down following your raise. If he's got a slightly better ace than you the board makes a split a very high possibility anyway.

One thing's for sure you've already invested too much to pass now that you've hit. You want to find a way of getting the money in the middle.

Also raise less pre.

Nah, don't do that buddy. I mean, when villain leads for 4k there's 9k in this pot and you've got 9k left. Simple jam no? If you call 4k leaving yourself 5k any normal villain will see you as super strong, but if you push loose villain can easily call with worse pairs and draws anyway. Don't think calling half your stack to induce a bluff is really necessary or convincing here. If villain does happen to fold for a mere 5k more then that's not a bad result really considering the dynamics of the situation.

[EvilPie]

Without the short stack who has an M <3, the bubble (this is not an sng based on the number of chips in play) and the huge (relatively) stack in the bb, a raise is clearly the best play, here I'm not so sure. I think he calls knowing he can pressure us a lot of time post flop. As it happens we're happy to get in now but a lot of the time he leads and we're calling it off ace high or giving up 20% of our chips.

If this is the case what hands are we raising with?

4 handed is no time to waste an ace when you've got 15 bbs. I don't mind the shove pre but this is never a pass.

If he calls our raise and we miss the flop we should still get it in. Chances are he's missed as well so we're probably ahead against a guy who's using his stack to good effect on the bubble. If we lose it's just meh.

[david3103]

So, raise pre is ok although maybe 3-400 more than needed/advised

When he leads I shove - which I did on the basis that the worst scenario I could see was him having A 10
He called - K 10 no flush draw

No need to post the result.

I counted it as a moral victory though, I got him to give me a strong chance of a double through...

[boldie]

So, raise pre is ok although maybe 3-400 more than needed/advised

When he leads I shove - which I did on the basis that the worst scenario I could see was him having A 10
He called - K 10 no flush draw

No need to post the result.

I counted it as a moral victory though, I got him to give me a strong chance of a double through...

WD.

[EvilPie]

Just call. Give him the chance to fire again on the turn.

If he checks the turn just shove and hope he see's it as a desperate move. He might just pay you off with the K or J.

I can't see him having the ace here unless he's been very clever and trappy pre. Given the stacks I'd expect him to shove a decent ace pre and just take the pot down following your raise. If he's got a slightly better ace than you the board makes a split a very high possibility anyway.

One thing's for sure you've already invested too much to pass now that you've hit. You want to find a way of getting the money in the middle.

Also raise less pre.

Nah, don't do that buddy. I mean, when villain leads for 4k there's 9k in this pot and you've got 9k left. Simple jam no? If you call 4k leaving yourself 5k any normal villain will see you as super strong, but if you push loose villain can easily call with worse pairs and draws anyway. Don't think calling half your stack to induce a bluff is really necessary or convincing here. If villain does happen to fold for a mere 5k more then that's not a bad result really considering the dynamics of the situation.

Yeah I know what you mean. It's one of those tricky stacks really.

If you flat you look super strong but if you shove you look just as strong because villain knows you've just shoved with no FE whatsoever.

I don't think it really matters what we do here. Oppo is either committed to the hand or he's not. In that case shove is no different to flat.