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[cia260895]

Being atheist my view is:

I reckon that as a religious parent you will want your child to follow the same faith as yourself although initially the child will not have a view on the type of religion he/she is brought into but when they are old enough to make a judgement themselves then let them decide and encouraged to make a decision on what gives them the right direction in life,as i see, it is never used in this way as the parental/church pressure of staying in the religion of the parents choosing is too much and no one wants to upset anyone.

now i wonder how everyone would swing if say at the age of  10/11 you had to make a decision on which way you exercise your faith and actively encouraged into this as some sort of youth coming of age decision or if you choose come out of religion altogether.

how many children of religious parents ever actually have a choice i:e We are C of E and so are you,We are  Catholic and so are you,We are Jewish and so are you etc etc the choice just isn't the done thing and would be frowned upon in the different faiths,does money come into it you betcha as the church's always need financing and whats the best way of re financing this? by bringing the next wave of followers into their church.Now that might be a argumentative point of view. but is it wrong?

On the holy wars as someone previously said on here its all about my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend 

Funny how religion causes so much anger/upset/hurt when atheism doesn't

[Acidmouse]

What primarily seems to motivate atheists isn't rationalism but anger, anger that the world isn't perfect, that someone forced them to go to church as children, that the Bible contains apparent contradictions, that human beings can be hypocrites and commit crimes in the name of faith. The vitriol is extraordinary.

Made me lol.

[nirvana]

If we talk about mainstream religions I can't see why atheists get so concerned about kids having a religious persuasion 'imposed' on their kids. Loving church attending parents are unlikely to leave their kids at home while they go to church. Equally they will accept their kids views if at sometime they choose not to go along with them.

I'm much more concerned that millions of kids have a low-life, secular chav persuasion imposed on them - much much harder to grow out of.

[nirvana]

What primarily seems to motivate atheists isn't rationalism but anger, anger that the world isn't perfect, that someone forced them to go to church as children, that the Bible contains apparent contradictions, that human beings can be hypocrites and commit crimes in the name of faith. The vitriol is extraordinary.

Made me lol.

Acidmouse says it better and now I've posted twice on a bigusdikus thread. FML

[kinboshi]

If we talk about mainstream religions I can't see why atheists get so concerned about kids having a religious persuasion 'imposed' on their kids. Loving church attending parents are unlikely to leave their kids at home while they go to church. Equally they will accept their kids views if at sometime they choose not to go along with them.

I'm much more concerned that millions of kids have a low-life, secular chav persuasion imposed on them - much much harder to grow out of.

LOL @ secularism meaning low-life chav.  I think you'll actually find that most 'low-life chavs' will be part of a religion in some form or other.

[G1BTW]

If we talk about mainstream religions I can't see why atheists get so concerned about kids having a religious persuasion 'imposed' on their kids. Loving church attending parents are unlikely to leave their kids at home while they go to church. Equally they will accept their kids views if at sometime they choose not to go along with them.

I'm much more concerned that millions of kids have a low-life, secular chav persuasion imposed on them - much much harder to grow out of.

I resent this post. I was brought up low-life secular chav, just like my parents and their parents before them. Enshrined in the values of liberty and freespeech in our country are the rights of secular chavs like me to behave how we like and dress how we like, drive what motors we like and dress them up how we like. Just because we drive cheaper motors than you and wear designer gear you don't happen to like don't mean we're of inferior intellect. I pass on my values to my girlfriends' kids and bring them up proper.

[kinboshi]

What primarily seems to motivate atheists isn't rationalism but anger, anger that the world isn't perfect, that someone forced them to go to church as children, that the Bible contains apparent contradictions, that human beings can be hypocrites and commit crimes in the name of faith. The vitriol is extraordinary.

Made me lol.

What?

Atheism means the lack of a belief in a specific god or gods.  No more, no less.

[GreekStein]

If we talk about mainstream religions I can't see why atheists get so concerned about kids having a religious persuasion 'imposed' on their kids. Loving church attending parents are unlikely to leave their kids at home while they go to church. Equally they will accept their kids views if at sometime they choose not to go along with them.

I'm much more concerned that millions of kids have a low-life, secular chav persuasion imposed on them - much much harder to grow out of.

LOL @ secularism meaning low-life chav.  I think you'll actually find that most 'low-life chavs' will be part of a religion in some form or other.

This is speculative trash on both sides.

How can you say one way or the other whether 'chavs' are from religious backgrounds or not. Another reason religious debates are stupid.

[Claw75]

If we talk about mainstream religions I can't see why atheists get so concerned about kids having a religious persuasion 'imposed' on their kids. Loving church attending parents are unlikely to leave their kids at home while they go to church. Equally they will accept their kids views if at sometime they choose not to go along with them.

I'm much more concerned that millions of kids have a low-life, secular chav persuasion imposed on them - much much harder to grow out of.

oh dear - my daughter is in trouble then.  Myself and her father have deliberately chosen to raise her without religion.  We can teach her moral values without the need for religion.  Atheism and humanity are not mutually exclusive.  She has questions about religion, and we answer them factually.  Part of that 'fact' is that god does not exist.

[kinboshi]

If we talk about mainstream religions I can't see why atheists get so concerned about kids having a religious persuasion 'imposed' on their kids. Loving church attending parents are unlikely to leave their kids at home while they go to church. Equally they will accept their kids views if at sometime they choose not to go along with them.

I'm much more concerned that millions of kids have a low-life, secular chav persuasion imposed on them - much much harder to grow out of.

LOL @ secularism meaning low-life chav.  I think you'll actually find that most 'low-life chavs' will be part of a religion in some form or other.

This is speculative trash on both sides.

How can you say one way or the other whether 'chavs' are from religious backgrounds or not. Another reason religious debates are stupid.

I was basing mine on the percentage of the population who attach themselves to one religion or another - based on the 2001 census.  Most people in the UK are 'religious' (i.e. claim to be part of a religion).  Therefore it makes sense that a cross-section of any part of society will be predominately made up of religious people.  DUCY?

[Jon MW]

What primarily seems to motivate atheists isn't rationalism but anger, anger that the world isn't perfect, that someone forced them to go to church as children, that the Bible contains apparent contradictions, that human beings can be hypocrites and commit crimes in the name of faith. The vitriol is extraordinary.

Made me lol.

Aren't you making the same generalisation that people who equate religion to extremism make?

Some atheists are vitriolic and angry about their (lack of) belief.

But the majority base their arguments on reason and logic - then shut up about it.

[kukushkin88]

Acid your way off that anger is a motivation. Religion is a laughable concept, it's fundamentally ridiculous. Belief in a "god" is a form of insanity that for some reason is totally acceptable while other forms of insanity are recognised as being very negative and dangerous. There's no anger, i'm happy enough for people to believe what they like, I just don't understand why religion/belief in god gets treated so differently from different forms of madness.

Obviously religion has historically done significant good as well as well as great harm. I just think we should be ready by now to move on from such a fundamentally foolish concept.

[nirvana]

If we talk about mainstream religions I can't see why atheists get so concerned about kids having a religious persuasion 'imposed' on their kids. Loving church attending parents are unlikely to leave their kids at home while they go to church. Equally they will accept their kids views if at sometime they choose not to go along with them.

I'm much more concerned that millions of kids have a low-life, secular chav persuasion imposed on them - much much harder to grow out of.

LOL @ secularism meaning low-life chav.  I think you'll actually find that most 'low-life chavs' will be part of a religion in some form or other.

This is speculative trash on both sides.

How can you say one way or the other whether 'chavs' are from religious backgrounds or not. Another reason religious debates are stupid.

I didn't assert that all chavs are secular or that all secular persuaded people are chavs. Instead I chose a specific subset - ie secular chavs, to draw my own subjective comparison with sick parents who force their children to go to Sunday school.  But yr right, it is silly to debate this since my own views are just live and let live. However, I do find atheists getting het up about religion very amusing so find it hard to avoid a little tapping.

[nirvana]

If we talk about mainstream religions I can't see why atheists get so concerned about kids having a religious persuasion 'imposed' on their kids. Loving church attending parents are unlikely to leave their kids at home while they go to church. Equally they will accept their kids views if at sometime they choose not to go along with them.

I'm much more concerned that millions of kids have a low-life, secular chav persuasion imposed on them - much much harder to grow out of.

oh dear - my daughter is in trouble then.  Myself and her father have deliberately chosen to raise her without religion.  We can teach her moral values without the need for religion.  Atheism and humanity are not mutually exclusive.  She has questions about religion, and we answer them factually.  Part of that 'fact' is that god does not exist.

Are you a chav ?

[Acidmouse]

Most parents that are considered religious want whats best for their children and faith is only a small part of creating children that are good people. Many parents give them an environment to learn about religion growing up and let them make their own minds up when they are adults.

Funny how religion causes so much anger/upset/hurt when atheism doesn't

Not heard this one before, honest.