We play plo! i dont have a scooby doo!

[boldie]

I dislike the flat pre..raise or get out of the way please.

So you are saying that the correct play here is to either three-bet or fold pre.

yeah, I much prefer that over flatting

[EvilPie]

I dislike the flat pre..raise or get out of the way please.

So you are saying that the correct play here is to either three-bet or fold pre.

yeah, I much prefer that over flatting

I prefer the flat pre to a raise. If we get action following a raise pre it's likely to be in the form of a 4 bet. Do we want to be calling a 4 bet of around $300 with this hand?

Oppos are oop against a 3 bet. They are passing a wide range here losing us value with a good hand with position. They are re raising AAxx putting us in a bit of a spot albeit with their hand face up.

Flatting controls the pot until our hand our hand hits. That's when we should be boosting it as much as possible imo, not pre.

[EvilPie]

I don't mind it, i get it in now though.

I've played similar hands this way quite a lot and they seem to go wrong more often than right.

I find I'm kicking myself because I slow played the nuts then got crazy once I'd let people catch up on the cheap.

Are you getting it in now thinking you're still ahead? Surely if we're still ahead we want to give them another chance to take a stab? If we are ahead now we're unlikely to fall behind on the river and most hands that we're beating just pass. Even flush draws lose interest now that the board has paired.

I can't understand the merit of potting now?

[Karabiner]

I dislike the flat pre..raise or get out of the way please.

So you are saying that the correct play here is to either three-bet or fold pre.

yeah, I much prefer that over flatting

I prefer the flat pre to a raise. If we get action following a raise pre it's likely to be in the form of a 4 bet. Do we want to be calling a 4 bet of around $60 with this hand?

Oppos are oop against a 3 bet. They are passing a wide range here losing us value with a good hand with position. They are re raising AAxx putting us in a bit of a spot albeit with their hand face up.

Flatting controls the pot until our hand our hand hits. That's when we should be boosting it as much as possible imo, not pre.

There's already $70ish in the pot, and anyone who can fold here should take up knitting instead.

[EvilPie]

I dislike the flat pre..raise or get out of the way please.

So you are saying that the correct play here is to either three-bet or fold pre.

yeah, I much prefer that over flatting

I prefer the flat pre to a raise. If we get action following a raise pre it's likely to be in the form of a 4 bet. Do we want to be calling a 4 bet of around $60 with this hand?

Oppos are oop against a 3 bet. They are passing a wide range here losing us value with a good hand with position. They are re raising AAxx putting us in a bit of a spot albeit with their hand face up.

Flatting controls the pot until our hand our hand hits. That's when we should be boosting it as much as possible imo, not pre.

There's already $70ish in the pot, and anyone who can fold here should take up knitting instead.

Lol at my dodgy maths.

4 bet would be to around $300. This means that if we 3 bet we have to call another $230 ish in to a pot of $400 ish.

I don't like Boldie's raise pre plan and hate the fold.

Can't see any other option but call pre.

[Royal Flush]

Even flush draws lose interest now that the board has paired.

Errm it hasn't paired, we have the 2nd nuts and a set which is why i want to ramp this pot up.

[boldie]

I dislike the flat pre..raise or get out of the way please.

So you are saying that the correct play here is to either three-bet or fold pre.

yeah, I much prefer that over flatting

I prefer the flat pre to a raise. If we get action following a raise pre it's likely to be in the form of a 4 bet. Do we want to be calling a 4 bet of around $300 with this hand?

Oppos are oop against a 3 bet. They are passing a wide range here losing us value with a good hand with position. They are re raising AAxx putting us in a bit of a spot albeit with their hand face up.

Flatting controls the pot until our hand our hand hits. That's when we should be boosting it as much as possible imo, not pre.

I don't really agree that this is a good hand though it's not awful but noone has raised yet Why not take the initiative now and raise it up a bit..giving yourself position with a half decent hand.

[EvilPie]

Even flush draws lose interest now that the board has paired.

Errm it hasn't paired, we have the 2nd nuts and a set which is why i want to ramp this pot up.

I'll get my coat

 

[Karabiner]

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I don't really agree that this is a good hand though it's not awful but noone has raised yet
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[daviebhoy]

In PLO we should be calling in position with a lot of hands - this being one of them so I have no idea what boldie is talking about.

The only reason to flat the flop is to underrep our hand so I don't really understand why we think we are beat now. Player 2 can just be trying to pick up the pot here as we both look weak. I don't see much wrong with flatting turn aswell and see what player 1 does. He likely folds anyway and stacks are such that we can get chips in against player 2 on river. If player 1 check/raises then we are in a pickle but we are getting all the money in probably needing the board to pair on the river. I don't really see any benefit to raising the turn.

I agree we need to re-pot the flop though. I can't fold this hand on the turn the way it has been played.

[AlexMartin]

I didnt particularly want to get 200bb in on the flop as i think we rarely get it in in gr8 shape and are normally against a freeroll or sick combo, raising advertises my hand and i am 95% sure that villain 1 has a big piece. Turn i was kinda torn but figured i have to get it in to protect against 2 flushdraws with what is likely the best hand at least some of the time. Seems consensus from ploers is that not raising flop was a mistake. my bad. I raised and villain 1 jammed, i didnt get there against QJ109 with hearts. Villain 2 had bottom set plus the nut flushdraw. 

[Karabiner]

In which case even if you repot the flop villain is still going to jam.

[EvilPie]

I didnt particularly want to get 200bb in on the flop as i think we rarely get it in in gr8 shape and are normally against a freeroll or sick combo, raising advertises my hand and i am 95% sure that villain 1 has a big piece. Turn i was kinda torn but figured i have to get it in to protect against 2 flushdraws with what is likely the best hand at least some of the time. Seems consensus from ploers is that not raising flop was a mistake. my bad. I raised and villain 1 jammed, i didnt get there against QJ109 with hearts. Villain 2 had bottom set plus the nut flushdraw. 

Great hand for analysis mate.

Tbh I probably do exactly the same as you on the turn. I think it's a mistake and it's one I'm trying to get out of but if I had the nuts and now I've got 2nd nuts + a house redraw I still convince myself I'm good.

I'm still only learning PLO myself but I seem to find that every time it looks like I could be behind I am.

Looks like Dave read it about right. Ok you've got your redraw to the house but everyone has blockers leaving you drawing almost dead.

Out of interest if you don't want to get it in on the flop because of freerollers why get it in on the turn when you could even be behind?

Not criticising this as like I say I probs do the same but I'm just curious.

[EvilPie]

In which case even if you repot the flop villain is still going to jam.

True Ralph but don't you think this is just a cooler?

If we play hands like TTJQ and hit the nuts what else are we supposed to do?

If we're going to play it passive when it hits what's the point playing it at all?

Would your plan be to flat the flop then pass the dangerous turn or do you just flat the turn as well?

[daviebhoy]

Flatting the flop then folding the turn in this instance would be truely heroic but I am not convinced its long term winning play. If you can't repot the flop with the nuts then I'm not sure when you are supposed to! I agree that this is just a cooler.