Girgy85's Tales of a Taxi Driver.

[GreekStein]

Byron whenever you write about health, fitness, exercising etc you seem like a complete nutter! 15 capsules a day seems a bit extreme

[Jon MW]

Byron whenever you write about health, fitness, exercising etc you seem like a complete nutter! 15 capsules a day seems a bit extreme

I'm sure it's all good though

and fish oil, tons of it, you prob want about 5g omega 3 a day which is 15 capsules of the stuff I get in tescos

"Intake of 3 grams per day or greater of omega-3 fatty acids may increase the risk of bleeding, although there is little evidence of significant bleeding risk at lower doses. Very large intakes of fish oil/omega-3 fatty acids may increase the risk of hemorrhagic (bleeding) stroke." 
NIH Medline Plus. "MedlinePlus Herbs and Supplements: Omega-3 fatty acids, fish oil, alpha-linolenic acid

[GreekStein]

Byron whenever you write about health, fitness, exercising etc you seem like a complete nutter! 15 capsules a day seems a bit extreme

I'm sure it's all good though

Yeah I just meant as in a really serious dedicated to exercise kind of nutter!

[kinboshi]

and fish oil, tons of it, you prob want about 5g omega 3 a day which is 15 capsules of the stuff I get in tescos

Really that much, is it better than cod liver oil?

And what evidence are you using for either?

This.

[byronkincaid]

and curlstein you are the very definition of broscience!

this thread goes into it in some detail, should site research articles n stuff if you bother reading it
http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=50628

lyle is internet nutrition guru of the moment, note he says 15 caps for controlling srs inflamation. obesity is SRS inflamation
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/qa-2.html

general it's good for you article
http://health.msn.com/nutrition/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100245164&gt1=31036

important not to confuse fish oil with omega 3. a tesco capsule has 1g of fish oil with 0.3g omega 3.

you shouldn't take too much cod liver oil as it contains vitamin A and you can overdose on that

[byronkincaid]

from that thread that noones gonna bother reading

After listening to wolf's advice I increased my dosage to 6-8grams per day and all of a sudden now my shoulders don't bother me anymore. They were in a LOT of pain.

rob wolfe is the crossfit nutrition guy, ex cancer researcher, he has a blog if you wanna google it.

i take between 10-15 a day haven't died yet, even when i cut myself shaving!

[kinboshi]

I don't see any controlled scientific trials from those links that show the efficacy of cod-liver oil, or differing amounts of the stuff, over say a placebo.

[byronkincaid]

I don't see any controlled scientific trials from those links that show the efficacy of cod-liver oil, or differing amounts of the stuff, over say a placebo.

i'm not talking about cod liver oil

you must read quick, these guys sell suppliments but site 9 research articles at bottom of page

http://www.tmuscle.com/readArticle.do?id=1651364

[byronkincaid]

this guy is well respected

http://www.alanaragon.com/fish-oil.html

sites research

[Jon MW]

I don't see any controlled scientific trials from those links that show the efficacy of cod-liver oil, or differing amounts of the stuff, over say a placebo.

i'm not talking about cod liver oil

you must read quick, these guys sell suppliments but site 9 research articles at bottom of page

http://www.tmuscle.com/readArticle.do?id=1651364

It also provides a very handy link to the authors weight loss plan.

Weird how the "Medical Disclaimer" link on that reads

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[kinboshi]

OK, I'd like to read some of those 'trials' and see how relevant and scientific they are.  For example, some are completely irrelevant to what you were talking about.  One is about the "Effects of eicosapentaenoic acid on major coronary events in hypercholesterolaemic patients" - what has that got to do with taking fish oils to aid with sports injuries/arthritis/prevention of heart disease?

A lot of what's written on that page is pseudo-science used in order to sell a product. 

Fish-oil MIGHT be beneficial in a number of areas.  It might not be.  A self-styled nutritionist guru like Gillian Mckeith isn't where I'd like to take my advice from.

Antioxidants are meant to help people live longer.  In properly conducted scientific trials, there was actually evidence that those on antioxidants were actually dying from heart disease at a younger age than those on the placebo.  Taking loads of vitamin C is meant to ward off colds and other ailments - based on what?  The fact that a deficiency in vitamin C can cause issues and therefore by extending the logic taking loads must be really good for you?

 

[Jon MW]

this guy is well respected

http://www.alanaragon.com/fish-oil.html

cites research

That does look like a balanced and well researched article with good sources.

It doesn't say anything about joint or muscle pain though, it mainly talks about fat.

And the primary conclusions are

The amount of EPA/DHA per capsule may vary with the brand. Capsules can contain anywhere from 250-500mg. Most healthy folks don’t need more than 3-6 capsules per day to meet or exceed the amounts that show benefits.

Looking at the body of evidence as a whole, fish oil (or increased fish consumption) has great potential for improving cardiovascular health. But for reducing body fat, the effects are minor to nonexistent.

I'm less cynical than Kinboshi, I don't really have any complaints about those findings.

[kinboshi]

I'm very cynical...about everything.

I'd like to see one, just one, trial on fish-oils that shows the direct affect on an improvement on cardiovascular health.  That second quote says "great potential".  Doesn't that mean the studies/trials/experiments didn't show anything?

[Jon MW]

Probably works though.

Have you ever seen a fat fish?

[byronkincaid]

OK, I'd like to read some of those 'trials' and see how relevant and scientific they are.  For example, some are completely irrelevant to what you were talking about.  One is about the "Effects of eicosapentaenoic acid on major coronary events in hypercholesterolaemic patients" - what has that got to do with taking fish oils to aid with sports injuries/arthritis/prevention of heart disease?

A lot of what's written on that page is pseudo-science used in order to sell a product. 

Fish-oil MIGHT be beneficial in a number of areas.  It might not be.  A self-styled nutritionist guru like Gillian Mckeith isn't where I'd like to take my advice from.

Antioxidants are meant to help people live longer.  In properly conducted scientific trials, there was actually evidence that those on antioxidants were actually dying from heart disease at a younger age than those on the placebo.  Taking loads of vitamin C is meant to ward off colds and other ailments - based on what?  The fact that a deficiency in vitamin C can cause issues and therefore by extending the logic taking loads must be really good for you?

 

you keep bringing stuff up that I am not talking about to try to prove your point, I have not mentioned vit C or antioxidants, it was prob a mistake to link a tnation article but I did say that they sell the stuff

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