Ruling?

[RobS]

lol live poker

[WarBwastard]

You can't give the guy his chips back.  That causes far more problems than it solves. 

[gatso]

He said raise as he was throwing the chips in though

where are you getting that from?

Everyone seemed to agree it was after the chips went in that he said raise.

I'm assuming everyone includes the dealer. how can that be anything but a call?

[kinboshi]

You can't give the guy his chips back.  That causes far more problems than it solves. 

It definitely did.

The chips went back to the player, the dealer auto-mucks his cards despite the protestations of the UTG raiser, and the floor is called.

The floor decides that the player must call, AND gets the player to confirm which were his cards.  These are then returned from the muck, and the hand continued.

Discuss.

[Cf]

Yeah, I've misread it.

*slaps self*

It's an obvious call now I reread it.

[Cf]

Ruling sounds sensible.

It's an obvious dealer error here. I have no problem with doing what we can to correct it.

Had the dealer not ballsed it up then the action would have been a call.

[gatso]

Yeah, I've misread it.

*slaps self*

It's an obvious call now I reread it.

lol. would've saved a lot of time if you'd re-read when I told you

[WarBwastard]

[ ] APAT Scotland sounds like it was a really good weekend

[Cf]

Yeah, I've misread it.

*slaps self*

It's an obvious call now I reread it.

lol. would've saved a lot of time if you'd re-read when I told you

lol, I assumed i'd misread the bit about the dealer mucking the hand, as i didn't think any dealer could possibly be daft enough to do this. don't know why i assumed this tho given the standard of some dealers i've had to endure..

[kinboshi]

[ ] APAT Scotland sounds like it was a really good weekend

'Twas a cracking weekend, despite some of the dealers, the loud-mouthed idiots, the buffet, the fact it was in Scotland...

[StuartHopkin]

[ ] APAT Scotland sounds like it was a really good weekend

'Twas a cracking weekend, despite some of the dealers, the loud-mouthed idiots, the buffet, the fact it was in Scotland...

Kinfishy, what a blatant I went to Scotland anti brag.

You knew full well the answer to all of this its straight forward.

If he didnt say raise before the chips in its a call. Full stop
If the dealer mucks his cards he is a sea nut.
The obv remedy is to return the cards.

/end thread

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[gatso]

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clown is a clown

[StuartHopkin]

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clown is a clown

Thank you kind sir

[kinboshi]

The reason I posted this, is that the dealer royally ballsed it up - but I liked the ruling from the floor (he wasn't the TD, just one of the more competent dealers, who therefore wasn't actually dealing at that time...) as it was based on common sense and in the spirit of the game.

Not sure the ruling would have been the same elsewhere, which was why I posed the question.

[Cf]

The reason I posted this, is that the dealer royally ballsed it up - but I liked the ruling from the floor (he wasn't the TD, just one of the more competent dealers, who therefore wasn't actually dealing at that time...) as it was based on common sense and in the spirit of the game.

Not sure the ruling would have been the same elsewhere, which was why I posed the question.

Hopefully most other establishments don't have dealers that get themselves into this mess.

There's thousands of potential scenarios that can occur in poker. The rules cover a lot of the more common ones explicitly, but there's always bizarre things that can happen.

You'd hope in such a situation you had a competent TD who could make a fair ruling in the spirit of the game, which I believe is what has happened here.