Phil Taylor

[Scottish Dave]

LOLOLOL

Which 50% of these wouldn't you recognise?

Sir Chris hoy - Yes

Joe calzaghe - Yes

Zara phillips - No

Freddie flintoff - No

Kelly holmes - Yes

Jonny wilkinson - No

Paula radcliffe - Yes

 beckham - Yes

Sir Steve redgrave - No

Lennox lewis - Yes

Michael owen - Yes

Greg rusedski - No

Damon hill - No

Jonathan edwards - No

Linford christie - Yes

Nigel mansell - No


I think you have to accept your interests, football aside, are towards minority sports if you genuinely can't identify that lot!

Not Minority sports, just sports that don't lick ass

Are you saying you don't recognise them or you don't like what they do?

Do you agree that, in the years they won, they may have been more popular/famous than any darts player?

I don't recognise them, mainly because i don't like/take an interest in their sport.

no i can't agree with that as if they weren't popular with me, then how am i supposed to know how popular they were with the public

[Delboy]

I don't recognise them, mainly because i don't like/take an interest in their sport.

no i can't agree with that as if they weren't popular with me, then how am i supposed to know how popular they were with the public
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Would you agree that someone winning the Olympics (Billions of viewers) or a successful sporting member of the Royal Family (very famous) or indeed a rugby player who won the World Cup may just have the edge with the public in general, over a darts player?

 I understand your argument if it was the 'Scotish Dave Sport Personality of the Year' but I'm not sure if you could get Laddies to run a book on it.

[TightEnd]

Ever heard of taking a wider perspective Dave?

My perspective would be:

Phil Taylor is by far the best in his sport. Incontrovertible. However its a minority sport, not on terrestial TV (apart from a rival and second rate championship) and thus he has no hope of getting a gong voted for by the general public.

[Scottish Dave]

I don't recognise them, mainly because i don't like/take an interest in their sport.

no i can't agree with that as if they weren't popular with me, then how am i supposed to know how popular they were with the public

Would you agree that someone winning the Olympics (Billions of viewers) or a successful sporting member of the Royal Family (very famous) or indeed a rugby player who won the World Cup may just have the edge with the public in general, over a darts player?

 I understand your argument if it was the 'Scotish Dave Sport Personality of the Year' but I'm not sure if you could get Laddies to run a book on it.

not really TBH.

I personally think its harder to win 14 world championships/10 world matchplay's not to mention every darts tourney is the world today more than once and have a 3 dart average of over 100 eveytime you play, as well as holding the highest 3 dart average in recorded history with 116.01 which he achived last year in aberdeen! IMO this is a much greater acheivement than to win one world cup, or one/two gold medals, or whatever it was that Miss Phillips won.

This is my views anyway.

[Scottish Dave]

Ever heard of taking a wider perspective Dave?

My perspective would be:

Phil Taylor is by far the best in his sport. Incontrovertible. However its a minority sport, not on terrestial TV (apart from a rival and second rate championship) and thus he has no hope of getting a gong voted for by the general public.

shouldn't it be other's that take a wider perspective, if its only a minority sport?

maybe then he would get what he deserves.

[Longy]

Dave ffs it is not how important their achievements are, it is how they are seen by the general public. Therefore Phil Taylor will never win SPOTY ever, whether he deserves it or not.

When i did my PGCE (teacher training) there was a lad on the course called Phil Taylor, so I nicknamed him "The Power" less than 1/4 of the course had a clue why and less than half of them had heard him when i explained who he was.

[TightEnd]

Ever heard of taking a wider perspective Dave?

My perspective would be:

Phil Taylor is by far the best in his sport. Incontrovertible. However its a minority sport, not on terrestial TV (apart from a rival and second rate championship) and thus he has no hope of getting a gong voted for by the general public.

shouldn't it be other that take a wider perspective, if its only a minority sport?

maybe then he would get what he deserves.

How can they if they do not have access to watching him?

Outside the UK, the Dutch and some North Americans (John Part I can think of, I remember one American too but not his name), which countries play darts anyway?

[Scottish Dave]

Ever heard of taking a wider perspective Dave?

My perspective would be:

Phil Taylor is by far the best in his sport. Incontrovertible. However its a minority sport, not on terrestial TV (apart from a rival and second rate championship) and thus he has no hope of getting a gong voted for by the general public.

shouldn't it be other that take a wider perspective, if its only a minority sport?

maybe then he would get what he deserves.

How can they if they do not have access to watching him?

Outside the UK, the Dutch and some North Americans (John Part I can think of, I remember one American too but not his name), which countries play darts anyway?

I personally don't know anyone that doesn't have access to Sky somehow. so saying that can't get access to him, is not really a fair point.

But isn't it the British that vote for SPOTY therefore it doesn't matter which other countries play darts.

[Delboy]

I don't recognise them, mainly because i don't like/take an interest in their sport.

no i can't agree with that as if they weren't popular with me, then how am i supposed to know how popular they were with the public

Would you agree that someone winning the Olympics (Billions of viewers) or a successful sporting member of the Royal Family (very famous) or indeed a rugby player who won the World Cup may just have the edge with the public in general, over a darts player?

 I understand your argument if it was the 'Scotish Dave Sport Personality of the Year' but I'm not sure if you could get Laddies to run a book on it.

not really TBH.

I personally think its harder to win 14 world championships/10 world matchplay's not to mention every darts tourney is the world today more than once and have a 3 dart average of over 100 eveytime you play, as well as holding the highest 3 dart average in recorded history with 116.01 which he achived last year in aberdeen! IMO this is a much greater acheivement than to win one world cup, or one/two gold medals, or whatever it was that Miss Phillips won.

This is my views anyway.

But its Sports Personality of the Year, Not Who's the best at their chosen game over the last decade and a half.


Phil Talyor may have a great personality but the public don't see it. (because they don't watch darts)

[TightEnd]

I was seeking to make the counter point to yours

Taylor's achievements are better than winning a gold medal?

How so lol? To win a gold medal you only need to beat the best competitors from every nation on the earth. As far as I am aware less than 10 countries worldwide play darts



UK Population access to Sky Sports: about 6 million households. ie many many don't


If you want a look at the impact of sky coverage v terrestial take a look at the cricket:

2009: 1st Test Day 1 on SKY 443,000. Peak 948,000

2005: 2nd Test Day 1 on Ch4 1.8m Peak 2.8m

A huge difference, especially when you consider the extra hype this time pre-series

[Scottish Dave]

I was seeking to make the counter point to yours

Taylor's achievements are better than winning a gold medal?

How so lol? To win a gold medal you only need to beat the best competitors from every nation on the earth. As far as I am aware less than 10 countries worldwide play darts

i personally think it is, considering Darts players now-a-days are far better than they were years ago, to win that many titles against a much better group of players consistantly is harder than winning a gold medal. if it wasn't for his talents, there would be so many world class darts players getting world coverage, another testiment to the player he is.

[TightEnd]

I was seeking to make the counter point to yours

Taylor's achievements are better than winning a gold medal?

How so lol? To win a gold medal you only need to beat the best competitors from every nation on the earth. As far as I am aware less than 10 countries worldwide play darts

i personally think it is, considering Darts players now-a-days are far better than they were years ago, to win that many titles against a much better group of players consistantly is harder than winning a gold medal. if it wasn't for his talents, there would be so many world class darts players getting world coverage, another testiment to the player he is.

Just LOL very hard, we are going to have to agree to completely disagree

Getting world coverage? where? how? Which darts players get world coverage exactly? 

Walk down the streets of Paris, Berlin, Buenos Aires, Rejkavik, Copenhagen, Vladivostok, Tokyo and Nairobi with a picture of any darts player from history and I'd be staggered if anyone recognised them

[Graham C]

You don't recognise all those?

wow

[Scottish Dave]

I was seeking to make the counter point to yours

Taylor's achievements are better than winning a gold medal?

How so lol? To win a gold medal you only need to beat the best competitors from every nation on the earth. As far as I am aware less than 10 countries worldwide play darts

i personally think it is, considering Darts players now-a-days are far better than they were years ago, to win that many titles against a much better group of players consistantly is harder than winning a gold medal. if it wasn't for his talents, there would be so many world class darts players getting world coverage, another testiment to the player he is.

Just LOL very hard, we are going to have to agree to completely disagree

Getting world coverage? where? how? Which darts players get world coverage exactly? 

At the moment, its only Taylor, however if he wasn't there, Barnie, Wade, Anderson etc would all be very well known sporting millionaires by now.

[TightEnd]

I was seeking to make the counter point to yours

Taylor's achievements are better than winning a gold medal?

How so lol? To win a gold medal you only need to beat the best competitors from every nation on the earth. As far as I am aware less than 10 countries worldwide play darts

i personally think it is, considering Darts players now-a-days are far better than they were years ago, to win that many titles against a much better group of players consistantly is harder than winning a gold medal. if it wasn't for his talents, there would be so many world class darts players getting world coverage, another testiment to the player he is.

Just LOL very hard, we are going to have to agree to completely disagree

Getting world coverage? where? how? Which darts players get world coverage exactly? 

At the moment, its only Taylor, however if he wasn't there, Barnie, Wade, Anderson etc would all be very well known sporting millionaires by now.

they would be millionaires because of sky, but like taylor none would be very well known at all, outside those who like darts and/or have sky sports