Wembley Cup....

[mckelinho]

English are very ignorant when talking about the SPL. Considering Scotland's population is smaller than Londons. Rangers and Celtic are relatively big clubs.

I don't understand the point you're making here. you seem to be patronising yourself by saying you're just relatively big

my local league draws from a much smaller population than that of glasgow. the 2 best teams in that league are also relatively big but I'm not sure they'd fare too well in the epl tbh

I am saying that condicering Rangers and Celtic play in the SPL they are massive teams. I never said they arent as good as or couldnt compete in the EPL because a truly believe the could. And results from the 90s and 00s show they could.

Rangers vs Leeds, Celtic vs Liverpool, Celtic vs Man Utd

[sweet potata!]

English are very ignorant when talking about the SPL. Considering Scotland's population is smaller than Londons. Rangers and Celtic are relatively big clubs.

I don't understand the point you're making here. you seem to be patronising yourself by saying you're just relatively big

my local league draws from a much smaller population than that of glasgow. the 2 best teams in that league are also relatively big but I'm not sure they'd fare too well in the epl tbh

I am saying that condicering Rangers and Celtic play in the SPL they are massive teams. I never said they arent as good as or couldnt compete in the EPL because a truly believe the could. And results from the 90s and 00s show they could.

Rangers vs Leeds, Celtic vs Liverpool, Celtic vs Man Utd

It's all well and good in these once off ties every couple of years. They would both struggle to make the top half at the mo, but obviously in a couple of years(of prem lge football) when they start generating the cash and getting better players they woud be right up there in the league

[gatso]

how would old firm fans feel if they came into the epl and were immediately relegated? it's perfectly possible, there's really only the top 4 who are in no danger

is it a risk worth taking?

[Longy]

Rangers and Celtic in the EPL would give the English a taste of what passion for football is as at the moment they only really get that from Liverpool

whooooooooooooooooooooooooaa

the last statement is complete balderdash sir....every club has its fan nuts.

Lol Mckelinho sure has been to a lot of games round the country, I have it on very good authority the atmosphere when Liverpool are not playing a top 4/Everton at Anfield is terrible.

[The Baron]

I'm a Rangers fan and would like to see the Rangers and Celtic joining the EPL, however that would completely shut down the SPL and lower league. They would become non existant like the Welsh League. If it was going to hapen we'd be better with a British league.

English are very ignorant when talking about the SPL. Considering Scotland's population is smaller than Londons. Rangers and Celtic are relatively big clubs.

Rangers and Celtic in the EPL would give the English a taste of what passion for football is as at the moment they only really get that from Liverpool

I like this post - for the record Celtic and Rangers are huge clubs IMO and I love the passion. However I'd still argue that right now the SPL is the weakest it's been AFAICR and the EPL is right up there with it's peak of 2 years ago if only slightly declined by the weakening of Manchester Utd selling one or two and Mourinho leaving Chelsea.

I'm not saying I get the SPL (God forbid ) and it's issues, but in footballing quality terms it's at one of it's lowest points from what I can see.

Recent CL history tells us the EPL is pretty damn close to being all conquering. It may be related to money, it may be less technically proficient than La Liga and it may be vulgar, but it's pretty hard to deny.

[The Baron]

Rangers and Celtic in the EPL would give the English a taste of what passion for football is as at the moment they only really get that from Liverpool

whooooooooooooooooooooooooaa

the last statement is complete balderdash sir....every club has its fan nuts.

Lol Mckelinho sure has been to a lot of games round the country, I have it on very good authority the atmosphere when Liverpool are not playing a top 4/Everton at Anfield is terrible.

Incorrect.

[Longy]

Rangers and Celtic in the EPL would give the English a taste of what passion for football is as at the moment they only really get that from Liverpool

whooooooooooooooooooooooooaa

the last statement is complete balderdash sir....every club has its fan nuts.

Lol Mckelinho sure has been to a lot of games round the country, I have it on very good authority the atmosphere when Liverpool are not playing a top 4/Everton at Anfield is terrible.

Incorrect.

Incorrect, in what way that is the view of a season ticket holder at Anfield for the last 10 years.

[The Baron]

Rangers and Celtic in the EPL would give the English a taste of what passion for football is as at the moment they only really get that from Liverpool

whooooooooooooooooooooooooaa

the last statement is complete balderdash sir....every club has its fan nuts.

Lol Mckelinho sure has been to a lot of games round the country, I have it on very good authority the atmosphere when Liverpool are not playing a top 4/Everton at Anfield is terrible.

Incorrect.

Incorrect, in what way that is the view of a season ticket holder at Anfield for the last 10 years.

Incorrect in the way that I am a season ticket holder.

[sovietsong]

[ ] not enough check boxes in this thread

[Teacake]

[ x ] i am the biggest biter going when it comes to these issues

[  ] celtic will make the group stages

Wouldn't be the biggest disaster to miss out on the CL, neither Celtic or Rangers are equipped for this tourney. The Europa League would at least have us playing teams of our own level.

Are you kidding on?? Its £10 million revenue for just getting there regardless of the results. I'll happily admit neither can do anything in the CL but the prestiage and money is a must

Yes the moneys good but you need it far more than we do. I was talking from a football point of view. One season without it isn't going to kill us in fact it could help us in the long run, it didn't do us any harm in 2003 or your lot last year. The way the coefficients are set up favours those who play in the Europa League rather than the CL so when you do get into the CL you are seeded higher like Rangers this year.

[Teacake]

I'm a Rangers fan and would like to see the Rangers and Celtic joining the EPL, however that would completely shut down the SPL and lower league. They would become non existant like the Welsh League. If it was going to hapen we'd be better with a British league.

English are very ignorant when talking about the SPL. Considering Scotland's population is smaller than Londons. Rangers and Celtic are relatively big clubs.

Rangers and Celtic in the EPL would give the English a taste of what passion for football is as at the moment they only really get that from Liverpool

I like this post - for the record Celtic and Rangers are huge clubs IMO and I love the passion. However I'd still argue that right now the SPL is the weakest it's been AFAICR and the EPL is right up there with it's peak of 2 years ago if only slightly declined by the weakening of Manchester Utd selling one or two and Mourinho leaving Chelsea.

I'm not saying I get the SPL (God forbid ) and it's issues, but in footballing quality terms it's at one of it's lowest points from what I can see.

Recent CL history tells us the EPL is pretty damn close to being all conquering. It may be related to money, it may be less technically proficient than La Liga and it may be vulgar, but it's pretty hard to deny.

You've pretty much nailed it there Baron.

[Maxriddles]

how would old firm fans feel if they came into the epl and were immediately relegated? it's perfectly possible, there's really only the top 4 who are in no danger

is it a risk worth taking?

Absolutely a risk worth taking, even the Championship has more money than SPL and either side of the OF would most likely make a quick return to the top flight in the unlikely circumstance of a first season relegation from the EPL.

I would love to see both OF sides play in the EPL but retain a B side in the SPL which would be unable to qualify for Europe but still compete in Scotland. This could be used to blood young players. I also believe the SPL would flourish to a degree without the OF, you would go from two sides who could win it to a very competitive league with maybe as many as six contenders.

[Div]

Hopefully we'll have Europe in some form this season, though the draw could have been kinder.

As for the SPL, my biggest worry is when we turn up to reclaim the trophy next spring we'll discover Rangers have pawned it to pay the gas bill.

[Div]

how would old firm fans feel if they came into the epl and were immediately relegated? it's perfectly possible, there's really only the top 4 who are in no danger

is it a risk worth taking?

Absolutely a risk worth taking, even the Championship has more money than SPL and either side of the OF would most likely make a quick return to the top flight in the unlikely circumstance of a first season relegation from the EPL.

Totally agree with this.

[gatso]

either side of the OF would most likely make a quick return to the top flight in the unlikely circumstance of a first season relegation from the EPL.

the reason I asked the question is that I don't agree with the above. imo getting out of the championship is ridic hard at the moment but I didn't really consider your other point about the championship still being bigger cash than the spl so guess it wouldn't matter if it took a couple of attempts to go back up