Near bubble and shallow river spot

[Drain Alien]

So Rich. Wot happened......?
I predict that you cautiously called on the river and lost the hand, to 66 or TT.
D

[TightEnd]

I called, preferring to have 10k back to shove with if he had the monster which I thought he could have. Got showed 66.

Irrespective of this, and not being results orientated, as others have said I think I should have shoved

[jonlundy]

I wasn't watching this hand at the time, but if I were you I think I'd flat it.
A push only gets called by 34 (can't see him (or her?) with that).
or 66 (deff chance holding).
or TT (even not beyond realms of possbility, tho I'd expect a re-shove pre).

You don't think a shove gets called by every other 5? Cos it does I promise you.

Def a shove for me. He basically has to have defended with 34 for you to be beat which is unlikely, or have 66, which a fair amount of the time he'd check raise the river with given the slow play up to his point. Agree w/ celtic & greeky...

+1

[EvilPie]

Other than the raise pre I don't mind it at all.  is a horrible hand to play unless it hits big even with position. What do you do here if villain shoves pre? Obv you have to pass. This is not ideal when you've invested nearly 15% of your stack with a hand that you thought was winning until it got looked up.

Your check on the flop is fine. You've not really got anything exciting and c bets are just too obvious. If he raises your c bet what do you do? Do you pass because you think you must be behind or do you shove because you think he's bluffing? I'm guessing you pass thus spewing more chips.

Villains play is awful. Why does he bet 2/3 of his stack on the end? Makes no sense at all and you were right to suspect you were beat.

If he shoves you snap call because it's so much more likely that he's bluffing.

Apart from the raise pre which I don't like I think you played it spot on.

[TightEnd]

Other than the raise pre I don't mind it at all.  is a horrible hand to play unless it hits big even with position. What do you do here if villain shoves pre? Obv you have to pass. This is not ideal when you've invested nearly 15% of your stack with a hand that you thought was winning until it got looked up.

Your check on the flop is fine. You've not really got anything exciting and c bets are just too obvious. If he raises your c bet what do you do? Do you pass because you think you must be behind or do you shove because you think he's bluffing? I'm guessing you pass thus spewing more chips.

Villains play is awful. Why does he bet 2/3 of his stack on the end? Makes no sense at all and you were right to suspect you were beat.

If he shoves you snap call because it's so much more likely that he's bluffing.

Apart from the raise pre which I don't like I think you played it spot on.

thanks Matt

You highlight an issue I have problems with

We're six handed, as doubleup highlights a way off the bubble, and a bit below average

Can't just sit there and wait for premiums, the stack will get swallowed up. Of course I can resteal/shove light.

However I have to keep active, in position, and try to make progress. Would you be passing A5s in the cut off there?

[MANTIS01]

Other than the raise pre I don't mind it at all.  is a horrible hand to play unless it hits big even with position. What do you do here if villain shoves pre? Obv you have to pass. This is not ideal when you've invested nearly 15% of your stack with a hand that you thought was winning until it got looked up.

Your check on the flop is fine. You've not really got anything exciting and c bets are just too obvious. If he raises your c bet what do you do? Do you pass because you think you must be behind or do you shove because you think he's bluffing? I'm guessing you pass thus spewing more chips.

Villains play is awful. Why does he bet 2/3 of his stack on the end? Makes no sense at all and you were right to suspect you were beat.

If he shoves you snap call because it's so much more likely that he's bluffing.

Apart from the raise pre which I don't like I think you played it spot on.

The bb is tight and makes no moves & we're 6-handed. . Why wouldn't you raise pre? I think the raise is just fine. But if you raise pre because the bb is tight/passive you should really c-bet on a pretty safe flop for the very same reasons you raised pre imo. Raise pre is spot on but don't like the rest

[EvilPie]

Other than the raise pre I don't mind it at all.  is a horrible hand to play unless it hits big even with position. What do you do here if villain shoves pre? Obv you have to pass. This is not ideal when you've invested nearly 15% of your stack with a hand that you thought was winning until it got looked up.

Your check on the flop is fine. You've not really got anything exciting and c bets are just too obvious. If he raises your c bet what do you do? Do you pass because you think you must be behind or do you shove because you think he's bluffing? I'm guessing you pass thus spewing more chips.

Villains play is awful. Why does he bet 2/3 of his stack on the end? Makes no sense at all and you were right to suspect you were beat.

If he shoves you snap call because it's so much more likely that he's bluffing.

Apart from the raise pre which I don't like I think you played it spot on.

thanks Matt

You highlight an issue I have problems with

We're six handed, as doubleup highlights a way off the bubble, and a bit below average

Can't just sit there and wait for premiums, the stack will get swallowed up. Of course I can resteal/shove light.

However I have to keep active, in position, and try to make progress. Would you be passing A5s in the cut off there?

Only because of the stacks. You're just inviting a reshove and you haven't got the goods to call.

If the cut off raises in to my big blind at this stage with stacks as they are I'm likely to shove any 2 halfway connected cards or 2 face cards. If you've got a biggy to call then fair enough. If you've got a weak ace maybe as high as A10 I think I can probably get my oppo to pass. A lot of live players also pass small pairs here.

I'd rather wait for someone to try the same raise against me and shove my whole stack in his eye than bluff raise A5 from the cut off.

Against specific oppos it's fine if you're intending to snap a shove but unless you intend to follow through it's just a standard steal attempt. Even if it just gets called you'll find yourself in tough spots without enough chips to try to use your positional advantage over your oppo.

This situation highlights it perfectly. You make a set with a short stack and you don't know where you stand in the hand. How is that possible?

[EvilPie]

Other than the raise pre I don't mind it at all.  is a horrible hand to play unless it hits big even with position. What do you do here if villain shoves pre? Obv you have to pass. This is not ideal when you've invested nearly 15% of your stack with a hand that you thought was winning until it got looked up.

Your check on the flop is fine. You've not really got anything exciting and c bets are just too obvious. If he raises your c bet what do you do? Do you pass because you think you must be behind or do you shove because you think he's bluffing? I'm guessing you pass thus spewing more chips.

Villains play is awful. Why does he bet 2/3 of his stack on the end? Makes no sense at all and you were right to suspect you were beat.

If he shoves you snap call because it's so much more likely that he's bluffing.

Apart from the raise pre which I don't like I think you played it spot on.

The bb is tight and makes no moves & we're 6-handed. . Why wouldn't you raise pre? I think the raise is just fine. But if you raise pre because the bb is tight/passive you should really c-bet on a pretty safe flop for the very same reasons you raised pre imo. Raise pre is spot on but don't like the rest

There's not only the BB to consider. There's also the other 1/3 of the table to act behind us.

When the tight BB shows enough interest to call pre the c bet with position is no more than a 'find out where you are' bet. He might be tight but it's unwise to assume he's also crap. When he shoves our c bet with air what do we do?

I assune that because he's tight we pass? Nice way to do 1/3 of our stack.

[MANTIS01]

the bb is described as a tight abc player who makes very few moves. So I reckon it's best to strat against a tight abc player who makes very few moves....not avoid that strat just in case the tight abc player who makes very few moves check raises us all-in with air.

[Cf]

I don't know what the standard is like at Luton but at my casino I'm raising pre all day here.

Yes, they have good stacks for reshoving, but in my experience very few live players actually do this.

Obv if there's people after me who I know are good players, capable of making moves, I'll adjust my play accordingly. But the majority of players in these comps are just bad.

Rather than a reshove, the most common thing I see in this scenario is the big blind will fold and show an ace lol

[GreekStein]

Matt might hit me but I'm raising the cut off 100% of the time with your hand here

[EvilPie]

Matt might hit me but I'm raising the cut off 100% of the time with your hand here

I won't hit you mate. I'll just set the dog on you.

[StuartHopkin]

I don't know what the standard is like at Luton but at my casino I'm raising pre all day here.

Yes, they have good stacks for reshoving, but in my experience very few live players actually do this.

Obv if there's people after me who I know are good players, capable of making moves, I'll adjust my play accordingly. But the majority of players in these comps are just bad.

Rather than a reshove, the most common thing I see in this scenario is the big blind will fold and show an ace lol

As long as the button, SB and BB do not involve Matt or Nick Hicks im raising to.

Matts right but not sure how many people are good enough to be doing this.

[NoflopsHomer]

I don't know what the standard is like at Luton but at my casino I'm raising pre all day here.

Yes, they have good stacks for reshoving, but in my experience very few live players actually do this.

Obv if there's people after me who I know are good players, capable of making moves, I'll adjust my play accordingly. But the majority of players in these comps are just bad.

Rather than a reshove, the most common thing I see in this scenario is the big blind will fold and show an ace lol

As long as the button, SB and BB do not involve Matt or Nick Hicks im raising to.

Matts right but not sure how many people are good enough to be doing this.

Raise and snap call vs Nick imo.

[MANTIS01]

Matt might have the right strat for a different game. But this isn't a different game. The tight bb smooths with a pair of 6's vs a wide range putting himself in a position where the pot size is equal to half his stack, he's oop, and he hates most flops. That's the sort of guy who's in the bb. This sort of guy will c-fold most flops and hence why the c-bet is fine.