Another ruling!

[StuartHopkin]

5 handed

UTG limps
SB makes up
BB shoves

UTG says 'u callin?' to Sb
Sb says 'nope'
UTG snaps with a mediocre holding he would have probs passed if not for the SB's answer

To fast for the dealer to stop it

BB loses the hand due to blatant colusion

[Cf]

Ok, fairest thing I can think to do is:

Kill the hand of the UTG player, return the raise amount, but leave in the preflop call amount. Take him away from the table, give him a severe talking to. 20 minute or so penalty (yes, this is crippling) with a warning that doing this again will result in outright disqualification.

Take the SB away from the table. Can't help but think his offence wasn't quite so serious here, but I'd give him the same penalty and warning of disqualification next time.

[MC]

Sigh,

Definitely some penalties should be given out here, but not much can be done to compensate the big blind...

[Longines]

<good mood>

Give the BB the pre-call pot. Split 4th and 5th money between UTG and SB and tell them to bugger off. Suggest they stop cheating if they ever want to play here again.

<bad mood>

Waterboarding.

[phatomch]

i think its one of those you had to be there. The sb may not of done anything wrong here and just answered a question. The utg may of just wanted a answer or was trying to put sb off so he could get heads up. it all depends on how they had played previous, how the question was put to sb.

in all fairness i cant see much wrong here except a little moody from utg trying to induce the sb to fold, poss a ban for a lap for moody out of turn

[bolt pp]

throw someonething at someone, usually a chair

[BulldozerD]

BB Awarded a free kick in the balls against UTG and SB.

not sure what can be done to change the hand but one/both should be penalised somehow

[Cf]

i think its one of those you had to be there. The sb may not of done anything wrong here and just answered a question.

Answering the question as given is wrong. He should keep his mouth shut.

The utg may of just wanted a answer or was trying to put sb off so he could get heads up.

Also wrong

it all depends on how they had played previous, how the question was put to sb.

True. I'm assuming though that the question given was quite blatently out of order though or we prob wouldn't have this thread

in all fairness i cant see much wrong here except a little moody from utg trying to induce the sb to fold, poss a ban for a lap for moody out of turn

The much wrong is this being blatent collusion and cheating

above

[boldie]

<good mood>

Give the BB the pre-call pot. Split 4th and 5th money between UTG and SB and tell them to bugger off. Suggest they stop cheating if they ever want to play here again.

<bad mood>

Waterboarding.

this.

[phatomch]

i think its one of those you had to be there. The sb may not of done anything wrong here and just answered a question.

Answering the question as given is wrong. He should keep his mouth shut.
he may of said no and instafolded, and just done it out of lack of knowledge

The utg may of just wanted a answer or was trying to put sb off so he could get heads up.

Also wrong
you dont know what he was thinking, it could of been moody or just not thinking

it all depends on how they had played previous, how the question was put to sb.

True. I'm assuming though that the question given was quite blatently out of order though or we prob wouldn't have this thread
we havnt been told full story (hands etc) maybe just a jaded 5th place finishers story poss

in all fairness i cant see much wrong here except a little moody from utg trying to induce the sb to fold, poss a ban for a lap for moody out of turn

The much wrong is this being blatent collusion and cheating
you dont know this as you where not there, didnt see and only have one side of a story without all info, could of been moody, could of been harmless. The utg limped in so he had poss made the decision already, the bb could of been shoving all day with shit

above

above

[doubleup]

i think its one of those you had to be there. The sb may not of done anything wrong here and just answered a question.

Answering the question as given is wrong. He should keep his mouth shut.
he may of said no and instafolded, and just done it out of lack of knowledge

The utg may of just wanted a answer or was trying to put sb off so he could get heads up.

Also wrong
you dont know what he was thinking, it could of been moody or just not thinking

it all depends on how they had played previous, how the question was put to sb.

True. I'm assuming though that the question given was quite blatently out of order though or we prob wouldn't have this thread
we havnt been told full story (hands etc) maybe just a jaded 5th place finishers story poss

in all fairness i cant see much wrong here except a little moody from utg trying to induce the sb to fold, poss a ban for a lap for moody out of turn

The much wrong is this being blatent collusion and cheating
you dont know this as you where not there, didnt see and only have one side of a story without all info, could of been moody, could of been harmless. The utg limped in so he had poss made the decision already, the bb could of been shoving all day with shit

above

above

I don't give a fck what they thought they were doing or what they knew or didn't know.  The story as related should result in immediate penalty from the point of the infringement i.e both hands dead.

[pokerfan]

What if the sb doesnt answer, is utg penalised for asking the question?
Or what if he said yes then folds, is he colluding with the bb now?
What if he says no then calls and flips AA?

[dino1980]

Pot is shipped to utg, both utg and SB given a 10 minute penalty, or whatever the standard penalty for the venue is.

[gatso]

What if the sb doesnt answer, is utg penalised for asking the question?

don't see why. nothing wrong with asking the question as a moody

Or what if he said yes then folds, is he colluding with the bb now?

nothing wrong there either

What if he says no then calls and flips AA?

nothing wrong here either is there?

don't think you can class either of the last 2 as binding verbal declarations

I've gotta pretty much agree with phatomch's first answer. in a vacuum there's nothing wrong here, with history maybe there is

[doubleup]

I've gotta pretty much agree with phatomch's first answer. in a vacuum there's nothing wrong here, with history maybe there is

Players are obliged to protect the interests of other players at all times in a tournament.  The utg should not ask the question and should be penalised for asking.  The sb should refuse to answer as whatever he says will affect the uncompleted action.  When he answers he should be penalised.

Poker is riddled with scummy ppl - if these two aren't scummy but just ignorant, a penalty will get them to think about poker etiquette.