Ruling?

[mouth]

Apologies if already covered on here, I have checked through and can't find it so here goes.

Liverpool Gala (Leos) £50 double chance, 11 players left and they're on the bubble, playing hand for hand, when this happens.

Seat 1 UTG pushes allin for 30K (7 BB), seat 2 then goes allin (has seat 1 covered), folds to SB who finds a hand and puts his hands on his head, saying OMG. He then stands up and is standing behind his chair while leaning on it, to make the decision that may cost him his tourny life.

Girl in Seat 2 (not me!!) then reaches over the table, picks up the SB's cards and throws them in the muck, saying "Your hand is dead, you left the table".

Card room managers ruling was that the girl in seat 2 acted correctly as the SB had officially left his seat.
Opinions?

(Again, apologies if already on here somewhere, please point me in right direction so I can see existing thread)

[Cf]

already seen this elsewhere. will just copy the post i made previously:

How on earth has she managed to "muck" the hand? What the fuck is the dealer doing? He should have control of the muck pile.

What i'd do: If you can identify the cards, or if the player can name the exact two cards, make every effort to get them back. The decision to call or fold can then be made.

The girl who tried to foul his hand: A warning isn't enough. I'd be tempted to go for outright disqualification, but I feel this is a bit too harsh, at least for a first offence. I'd go for a penalty, and given that I think this is quite a serious breach of the rules, bordering on outright cheating, I'd go for at least 20 minutes.

[BulldozerD]

I'd just go LOL WTF

[gatso]

manager rules that picking up anouther player's cards and mucking them is acting correctly? wtf

go and play somewhere else imo

[TightEnd]

Ask player to identify his hand to you, try to retrieve them from the muck

Disqualify Player 2

Dismiss cardroom manager, post comp investigation as his relationship with seat 2. Possible collusion

Appoint RichEO in his place

[kinboshi]

Ask player to identify his hand to you, try to retrieve them from the muck

Disqualify Player 2

Dismiss cardroom manager, post comp investigation as his relationship with seat 2. Possible collusion

Appoint RichEO in his place

This.

[I KNOW IT]

Ask player to identify his hand to you, try to retrieve them from the muck

Disqualify Player 2

Dismiss cardroom manager, post comp investigation as his relationship with seat 2. Possible collusion

Appoint RichEO in his place

1st thing I thought

[doubleup]

Presumably the cardroom has some sort of rule about hands being dead if players leave the table, so:

TD is a fck idiot for thinking this rule applies in this situation.

Woman is a fck idiot for touching another players hand (fights have occured over this)

Player who stood up is a fck idiot and drama queen - its a £50 freezeout ffs

Dealer is a fck idiot as he should just have replaced the cards in front of the player and told woman to gtfo

The best ruling is for all involved to sign a legal document stating that they will take nothing to do with poker ever.

[boldie]

Yuck, just yuck. Just how shit is this casino?

Call the Gaming Commision and have them close the place down.

[ScottMGee]

Girl in Seat 2 (not me!!) then reaches over the table, picks up the SB's cards and throws them in the muck, saying "Your hand is dead, you left the table".

1) how does she manage to do this without the player stopping her
2) if she was a guy then this is probably getting taken outside

[mouth]

Presumably the cardroom has some sort of rule about hands being dead if players leave the table, so:

TD is a fck idiot for thinking this rule applies in this situation.

Woman is a fck idiot for touching another players hand (fights have occured over this)

Player who stood up is a fck idiot and drama queen - its a £50 freezeout ffs

Dealer is a fck idiot as he should just have replaced the cards in front of the player and told woman to gtfo

The best ruling is for all involved to sign a legal document stating that they will take nothing to do with poker ever.

All of the above work for me.

I say if a fella did this he's outside before the cards touched the muck, particularly in Liverpool.

Place hasn't been the same since Cliffy the cardroom manager left - the others try but Cliffy called a spade a spade. On no, sorry, that's the reason he was sacked - what I meant to say was Cliffy ran the cardroom well.

[pokerfan]

GG

[thetank]

Ruling seems fair enough to me, but I would have given the small blind a time penalty for taking the Lord's name in vain.

[mouth]

Maybe 10 Hail Marys? Or do you mean you would have let someone drop kick her round the room?

[RichEO]

Ask player to identify his hand to you, try to retrieve them from the muck

Disqualify Player 2

Dismiss cardroom manager, post comp investigation as his relationship with seat 2. Possible collusion

Appoint RichEO in his place

This, for definite.